1 00:01:04,700 --> 00:00:34,500 [Music] 2 00:01:10,350 --> 00:01:07,650 and good evening from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:10,360 here we've got a special Monday evening 4 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:14,080 edition of UFO news network Sunday we've 5 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:16,120 got with us today well I'll tell you 6 00:01:22,290 --> 00:01:18,729 what let me bring on in my co-host for 7 00:01:23,940 --> 00:01:22,300 this evening chant Hannah chant good 8 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:23,950 evening to you and why don't you 9 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:25,750 introduce our special guests for this 10 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:29,110 evening good evening Frank thank you we 11 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:30,910 have a very special show today for 12 00:01:35,210 --> 00:01:32,920 listeners today we have Alex Chan Eddie 13 00:01:38,609 --> 00:01:35,220 a domestic and international film 14 00:01:40,770 --> 00:01:38,619 television producer and distributor he 15 00:01:43,530 --> 00:01:40,780 was involved with the ancient aliens TV 16 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:43,540 series documentary and was a producer of 17 00:01:50,249 --> 00:01:46,690 15 episodes of that he's also known for 18 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:50,259 the film's down the shore 2011 Brando 19 00:01:56,279 --> 00:01:52,560 unauthorized in the same year and 20 00:01:57,930 --> 00:01:56,289 Destination Truth in 2007 a consultant 21 00:02:00,060 --> 00:01:57,940 producer for Steven Spielberg's Close 22 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:00,070 Encounters of the Third Kind 40th 23 00:02:05,070 --> 00:02:02,890 anniversary digital campaign he is also 24 00:02:07,469 --> 00:02:05,080 a documentary producer and writer and 25 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:07,479 did development for cable documentaries 26 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:11,170 such as a sci-fi channel NBC Universal 27 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:13,450 Fox television the History Channel the 28 00:02:18,780 --> 00:02:16,360 National Geographic and other shows he 29 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:18,790 attended the Massachusetts Institute of 30 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:21,280 Technology getting his master's in film 31 00:02:28,170 --> 00:02:25,810 and television documentary film and hina 32 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:28,180 called him the most active field 33 00:02:34,890 --> 00:02:31,750 researcher he knew Alex was also the 34 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:34,900 editor of the IU our international UFO 35 00:02:39,330 --> 00:02:36,820 report which was done in Spanish and 36 00:02:43,250 --> 00:02:39,340 director of the investigations of Koufos 37 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:43,260 in Buenos Aires Alex welcome to the show 38 00:02:48,150 --> 00:02:47,380 welcome guys thank you thank you for 39 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:48,160 having me 40 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:52,090 thank you it's great to have you here 41 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:54,190 and let's not beat around the bush we're 42 00:02:58,140 --> 00:02:56,310 gonna have Alex back actually on a big 43 00:03:00,449 --> 00:02:58,150 roundtable discussion we're gonna have 44 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:00,459 on that South American huevos next month 45 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:04,000 but the project Bluebook TV show 46 00:03:08,310 --> 00:03:06,610 premiered last Monday night it really 47 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:08,320 did get a lot of attention I got a lot 48 00:03:13,970 --> 00:03:11,110 of viewers they ran it twice last 49 00:03:17,540 --> 00:03:13,980 Tuesday night back-to-back and 50 00:03:19,839 --> 00:03:17,550 3.1 million viewers and what a lot of 51 00:03:22,910 --> 00:03:19,849 those folks may not realize is that the 52 00:03:26,990 --> 00:03:22,920 original idea for doing a blue book 53 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:27,000 series based on the experiences of Allen 54 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:30,209 Hynek researching UFOs in conjunction 55 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:32,810 with the United States Air Force 56 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:36,000 starting back in the the late 40s and 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:38,940 going right up until the late 60s was 58 00:03:45,619 --> 00:03:41,970 actually Alex's original idea that got 59 00:03:50,089 --> 00:03:45,629 lifted from him basically by some folks 60 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:50,099 over in A&E and Alex what's let's get 61 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:51,690 right down to it I wanted to tell us all 62 00:03:59,240 --> 00:03:55,650 about that oh it's a long story 63 00:04:01,789 --> 00:03:59,250 kind of unfortunately I always was 64 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:01,799 enthusiastic about high-neck since I 65 00:04:08,869 --> 00:04:03,390 immigrated to this country 66 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:08,879 Allen was my friend I consider myself a 67 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:12,329 disciple and a student when he came 68 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:16,410 originally to my my country and we have 69 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:21,090 a scientific teenager group and he was 70 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:24,720 our mentor and we have a commission of 71 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:27,630 Investigation and we have correspondence 72 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:31,740 with him we have a magazine that time 73 00:04:38,089 --> 00:04:35,460 called you for press dr. Hynek choose 74 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:38,099 our group as a representative of keifa's 75 00:04:46,490 --> 00:04:41,510 I was director of investigation and I 76 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:46,500 start research in UFOs in the late 77 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:50,639 seventies in the flap away was 78 78 00:04:57,650 --> 00:04:55,050 I was coincidental with Alex said this 79 00:05:02,420 --> 00:04:57,660 is an Argentine correct yes Argentina 80 00:05:06,409 --> 00:05:02,430 when Osiris and was kind of that wave 81 00:05:10,969 --> 00:05:06,419 which is start in 77 and I'm prolonged 82 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:10,979 to all 78 was our fire Baptists as field 83 00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:13,949 researchers and it was the time of the 84 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:16,190 close encounters his peel where 85 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:22,010 masterpiece and was so so many kind of 86 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:24,310 influence of 87 00:05:31,530 --> 00:05:27,420 the American who follows in our up 88 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:31,540 uprising but Hynek choose us and I start 89 00:05:38,909 --> 00:05:36,010 to be translator and also editor of the 90 00:05:42,659 --> 00:05:38,919 his bulletin international you for 91 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:42,669 report he had been made he had been 92 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:47,430 publishing since 73 in his skillful Xin 93 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:51,730 Evanston Illinois and we start this kind 94 00:05:56,580 --> 00:05:54,210 of friendship one of the reasons I 95 00:05:58,500 --> 00:05:56,590 immigrated to the States was my 96 00:06:01,710 --> 00:05:58,510 friendship with him was not the only one 97 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:01,720 but one in my search of his scholarships 98 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:05,110 and my pro risks s now I just saw longer 99 00:06:08,670 --> 00:06:07,930 just yeah just to clear some history up 100 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:08,680 on Heinicke 101 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:10,810 for the folks he started that consulting 102 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:13,240 with the Air Force during the the 103 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:15,190 project signed grudge era in the very 104 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:18,130 late 40s before they actually I guess 105 00:06:23,129 --> 00:06:20,560 rebranded it really as a Project Blue 106 00:06:25,710 --> 00:06:23,139 Book so he was with him right up until 107 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:25,720 the end I believe or very close to the 108 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:29,320 end so he was with that US Air Force 109 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:31,690 investigation really for the better part 110 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:34,300 of 20 years probably longer than anyone 111 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:36,520 else and then after they shut that down 112 00:06:40,590 --> 00:06:38,470 what he decided to open up his own 113 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:40,600 private Research Institute is that about 114 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:45,610 right yes yeah and 69 and he will he 115 00:06:53,570 --> 00:06:49,330 create his private group was the Q force 116 00:06:56,010 --> 00:06:53,580 and was one of the more celebrated 117 00:07:00,090 --> 00:06:56,020 groups with so many international 118 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:00,100 branches in the in the late 70s I he get 119 00:07:09,180 --> 00:07:04,150 this tardone when he was in Westfield 120 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:09,190 were use his coin at his coin name the 121 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:11,550 Close Encounters of the Third Kind as 122 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:16,110 was his classification his definition of 123 00:07:22,469 --> 00:07:18,490 close encounter of the first second and 124 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:22,479 third kind his that was kind of his 125 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:27,520 stardom and more massive but we have to 126 00:07:37,029 --> 00:07:32,890 remember 78 was a big big flop all over 127 00:07:41,249 --> 00:07:37,039 the war that it was so much attention 128 00:07:45,429 --> 00:07:41,259 and the presence also of the movie 129 00:07:48,369 --> 00:07:45,439 circulating being released all over the 130 00:07:52,570 --> 00:07:48,379 planet have a big important 131 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:52,580 synchronicity producer kind of a a new 132 00:07:59,529 --> 00:07:56,960 conscious about the subject of the 133 00:08:02,139 --> 00:07:59,539 mysterious flying saucers 134 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:02,149 now we think all more flying saucers 135 00:08:08,499 --> 00:08:04,490 since the time of the book but we start 136 00:08:13,629 --> 00:08:08,509 to call it UFOs and the ufology was in 137 00:08:18,309 --> 00:08:13,639 motion well she always well I remember 138 00:08:22,629 --> 00:08:18,319 what Hynek in my first years heat trying 139 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:22,639 to help me with my dreams of filmmaking 140 00:08:31,379 --> 00:08:25,449 - he tried to introduce me to spill were 141 00:08:34,329 --> 00:08:31,389 introduced me to his older son Joe Hynek 142 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:34,339 who was master really mastering the 143 00:08:40,059 --> 00:08:36,800 special effects already in the decade of 144 00:08:42,009 --> 00:08:40,069 ladies but I always want to have the 145 00:08:45,069 --> 00:08:42,019 chance to do something about his life 146 00:08:50,350 --> 00:08:45,079 and in the last year's I was trying to 147 00:08:53,530 --> 00:08:50,360 see if I I could develop so a feature 148 00:08:57,100 --> 00:08:53,540 film of a series and three years ago I 149 00:08:59,710 --> 00:08:57,110 start to work more current that one more 150 00:09:03,100 --> 00:08:59,720 more in the last five years to three 151 00:09:05,309 --> 00:09:03,110 years and my first option was trying to 152 00:09:08,410 --> 00:09:05,319 do with the company of a spill were 153 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:08,420 ambling but ambient television 154 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:11,690 no matter I have some good friends there 155 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:15,050 they didn't really care I never couldn't 156 00:09:21,129 --> 00:09:17,510 present the project directly to Steven 157 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:21,139 Spielberg in the same time I was 158 00:09:25,809 --> 00:09:23,240 pitching the story to the History 159 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:25,819 Channel but I have a good eye 160 00:09:32,199 --> 00:09:28,250 I think I used to have a good relation 161 00:09:38,250 --> 00:09:32,209 with history after working for ancient 162 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:38,260 aliens also for you for hunters to 163 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:42,170 series I was consulting producer and key 164 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:44,260 researcher 165 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:46,760 yeah almost yeah three years ago this 166 00:09:54,699 --> 00:09:50,570 month I pitched the story 167 00:09:57,210 --> 00:09:54,709 I know what the head of production and 168 00:10:01,509 --> 00:09:57,220 the Bell on men he introduced me to 169 00:10:03,790 --> 00:10:01,519 another of his subordinates or one of 170 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:03,800 the head holes on development in 171 00:10:10,199 --> 00:10:07,070 production this was an event I used to 172 00:10:12,550 --> 00:10:10,209 attend to this even called real screen 173 00:10:14,829 --> 00:10:12,560 where you have a kind of collective 174 00:10:16,810 --> 00:10:14,839 pigeon you have session of pitching the 175 00:10:19,930 --> 00:10:16,820 stories and I pitch three three projects 176 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:19,940 but the more important was pitching the 177 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:22,010 story of Hynek and the project Bluebook 178 00:10:31,329 --> 00:10:27,680 and also I brought in the concepts and 179 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:31,339 Heinicke was my friend with Joel we were 180 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:36,410 having some analysis video analysis he 181 00:10:43,449 --> 00:10:40,130 had been helping me in the last 10 15 182 00:10:48,340 --> 00:10:43,459 years to analyze some you focus they 183 00:10:51,310 --> 00:10:48,350 were cut in video important cases and I 184 00:10:56,079 --> 00:10:51,320 thought what he was going to be one of 185 00:10:59,610 --> 00:10:56,089 the course of the show and beside that 186 00:11:02,560 --> 00:10:59,620 the idea was kind of do reconstruct 187 00:11:05,199 --> 00:11:02,570 reconstruction of the old cases and in 188 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:05,209 and the case is no only the Bluebook 189 00:11:14,939 --> 00:11:12,040 after he retire we were going to kind of 190 00:11:22,170 --> 00:11:14,949 reconstruct many of the keifa's cases 191 00:11:24,579 --> 00:11:22,180 between 673 and to the present whoa 192 00:11:27,490 --> 00:11:24,589 until the death of Honeywell the day the 193 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:27,500 kind it was in 1986 and I basically your 194 00:11:42,220 --> 00:11:39,040 10 10 episodes with many cases connect 195 00:11:50,319 --> 00:11:42,230 research the important ones and do all 196 00:11:52,810 --> 00:11:50,329 the historical reconstruction - yeah let 197 00:11:54,699 --> 00:11:52,820 me jump in a hynix son was with you he's 198 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:54,709 a part of this project and he's with you 199 00:12:01,420 --> 00:11:58,370 during this pitch right right I was yeah 200 00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:01,430 he was interested in in being this 201 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:04,620 series after I 202 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:07,260 they back to me they were interesting 203 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:10,670 they asked me more more kind of 204 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:13,770 information how I see it how we see the 205 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:17,730 characters and I start I start to kind 206 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:20,970 of develop it more as more kind of the 207 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:23,250 docudrama to where the character was not 208 00:12:29,030 --> 00:12:26,130 only Hynek but also was major 209 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:29,040 quintanilla Hector quintanilla was who 210 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:31,140 had been part of my life I will tell you 211 00:12:38,210 --> 00:12:34,800 another incident but I was friend of him 212 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:38,220 and also it was publisher of his memoirs 213 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:41,520 book who was quintanilla was the last 214 00:12:48,890 --> 00:12:45,570 director of probably book yeah until 69 215 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:48,900 from 63 to 69 and I have that kind of 216 00:12:54,290 --> 00:12:51,480 files and I was doing kind of the 217 00:12:57,770 --> 00:12:54,300 confrontation between kind Nick as a 218 00:13:00,470 --> 00:12:57,780 believer and the officers of a book a 219 00:13:02,750 --> 00:13:00,480 cent more skeptic welcome Tunisia was 220 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:02,760 not a daily skeptic it was a physicist 221 00:13:11,060 --> 00:13:07,290 and he had many people said the double 222 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:11,070 book was more a public relations office 223 00:13:16,370 --> 00:13:12,090 but it's not true 224 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:16,380 they really research with dedication and 225 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:24,210 scientific merit that the last years I 226 00:13:30,980 --> 00:13:27,300 kind of I I continue what they were 227 00:13:33,650 --> 00:13:30,990 asking Morris developing more more kind 228 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:33,660 of information how I see it this 229 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:35,970 character how I see signing in relation 230 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:38,160 with kiss family and I start to get 231 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:40,350 suspicious and the next call they said 232 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:41,460 oh sorry 233 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:44,820 I tried in our develop the meetings to 234 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:47,670 push your project but we are enough with 235 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:50,880 ancient aliens and another document and 236 00:13:58,780 --> 00:13:54,090 another kind of series on this subject 237 00:14:01,730 --> 00:13:58,790 is not the field is not too dynamic and 238 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:01,740 after that I couldn't do anything and 239 00:14:09,010 --> 00:14:06,690 one year later I kind of I I have this 240 00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:09,020 surprise to read in one forum 241 00:14:16,130 --> 00:14:12,480 publication that history was doing the 242 00:14:18,139 --> 00:14:16,140 series with Zemeckis and the same day I 243 00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:18,149 called your kindness 244 00:14:23,710 --> 00:14:20,639 we don't know anything I took him to my 245 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:23,720 with my brother but kinda have two sons 246 00:14:29,569 --> 00:14:28,050 and we are not going to sue history okay 247 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:29,579 I don't care who were these people 248 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:32,339 coming the other was his he told me no I 249 00:14:39,460 --> 00:14:35,610 said we are surprised that means they 250 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:39,470 develop and they launch the announcement 251 00:14:46,939 --> 00:14:42,720 of the series coming without asking 252 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:46,949 permission to Allen Hynek sons they're 253 00:14:53,930 --> 00:14:50,880 very very curious and after another 254 00:14:58,579 --> 00:14:53,940 conversation I have with Hynek with Joel 255 00:15:02,030 --> 00:14:58,589 he said well oh I don't know what we are 256 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:02,040 going to do but this is again I don't 257 00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:03,889 know if it's going to be a legal matter 258 00:15:10,850 --> 00:15:08,940 but we don't know about this this 259 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:10,860 project I don't know about this guy 260 00:15:18,170 --> 00:15:14,610 David O'Leary who they don't know where 261 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:18,180 he was coming from no matter in the in 262 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:20,610 the family of Hynek were some 263 00:15:23,889 --> 00:15:22,889 interesting to do something about their 264 00:15:29,079 --> 00:15:23,899 father 265 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:29,089 and don't forget he's a filmmaker too 266 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:34,889 and later on when he read this he said 267 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:37,769 Oh Alex this is your project this is so 268 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:40,730 similar to your project he told me that 269 00:15:54,850 --> 00:15:48,889 later on he I discover he was consulted 270 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:54,860 with his brother very very kind of 271 00:16:00,139 --> 00:15:57,000 disappointment but he was fair with me I 272 00:16:02,689 --> 00:16:00,149 said oh no I am exclusive now and I 273 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:02,699 cannot talk about my father and I cannot 274 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:05,370 talk about project Bluebook 275 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:06,990 nobody project will book is public 276 00:16:14,379 --> 00:16:10,980 domain everybody could talk but you know 277 00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:14,389 money talks and that is the way the 278 00:16:22,749 --> 00:16:19,380 corporations and television companies 279 00:16:25,699 --> 00:16:22,759 work and it's you're not protected by 280 00:16:29,150 --> 00:16:25,709 good lawyers you are risking always 281 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:29,160 yourself when you're pitching but I was 282 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:31,350 pitching but I know the the 283 00:16:36,410 --> 00:16:33,510 and I wore with this company and I have 284 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:36,420 confidence I didn't need to to sign any 285 00:16:43,510 --> 00:16:40,290 kind of MTA but they already know me and 286 00:16:47,330 --> 00:16:43,520 I know I think my work had been very 287 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:47,340 very interesting and positive for the 288 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:50,040 writings of the network's pure sure 289 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:53,490 ancient aliens is in its 13th season now 290 00:16:57,980 --> 00:16:56,130 now how did you get involved in that 291 00:16:59,930 --> 00:16:57,990 show and that that is one of those 292 00:17:01,760 --> 00:16:59,940 really stood the test of time I don't 293 00:17:04,570 --> 00:17:01,770 think there's been a ufo-related show 294 00:17:06,950 --> 00:17:04,580 that is lasted anywhere near as long 295 00:17:09,620 --> 00:17:06,960 tell us a little about about your 296 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,630 involvement in all that and why do you 297 00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:12,240 think you have excuse me that ancient 298 00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:14,190 aliens has succeeded all these years 299 00:17:28,940 --> 00:17:16,860 where so many other UFO shows are sort 300 00:17:30,980 --> 00:17:28,950 of one and done Friday night you have 301 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:30,990 the same ecstasy's do you have the same 302 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:33,990 kind of communion with the guts of the 303 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:44,090 chariots yeah I was as I was kind of 304 00:17:51,980 --> 00:17:48,390 working with history with the Balaam and 305 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:51,990 I was trying to do some specials about 306 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:54,000 mysteries of archaeology law 307 00:17:56,570 --> 00:17:55,980 civilizations one of the head of the 308 00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:56,580 balloonman 309 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:00,360 and he introduced me to the company 310 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:03,210 Prometheus entertainment and at that 311 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:11,370 time they were doing one kind of follow 312 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:14,400 no follow up what was kind of tying to 313 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:18,260 Indiana Jones and the crystal skulls 314 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:21,290 what was a movie also it was kind of 315 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:25,890 consulting I work in earnest and a 316 00:18:33,010 --> 00:18:30,200 special kind of marketing and education 317 00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:33,020 regarding to the role of explorers and 318 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:39,960 mysteries before I met the promises and 319 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:43,320 promises was kind of trying to do 320 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:44,760 something with 321 00:18:52,010 --> 00:18:50,250 George or Giorgio tsoukalos was doing 322 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:52,020 one of the last segments about the 323 00:19:02,180 --> 00:18:55,410 crystal skulls Italian with Indiana 324 00:19:06,410 --> 00:19:02,190 Jones story I brought one of my research 325 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:06,420 and in South America with ancient 326 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:08,910 mysteries and that was star their 327 00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:12,260 relation and I work in Indiana Jones 328 00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:16,320 especial and the spin-off was engine 329 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:19,260 aliens for the ancient aliens was kind 330 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:24,570 of me a creation of Steven burns with so 331 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:29,220 close since the pilots I work bring in 332 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:33,690 my research to the original episode and 333 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:37,710 to the next two seasons and more seasons 334 00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:41,010 but I developed around 150 segments and 335 00:19:50,410 --> 00:19:46,200 they are still using some this and I 336 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:50,420 don't see any any monies from that but 337 00:19:57,950 --> 00:19:54,090 they come repeating on his his turns in 338 00:20:04,550 --> 00:19:57,960 a franchise tournament kind of a kind of 339 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:04,560 a brand name and I think is it's got 340 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:09,210 being good also for ufology no matter 341 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:13,470 fund Anakin I interview fund Anakin and 342 00:20:18,170 --> 00:20:15,510 the knight is trying to resolve one of 343 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:18,180 another mystery a research for so many 344 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:21,630 years named the caves of Ecuador the 345 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:27,170 caves of dodges and Daniken was kind of 346 00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:30,740 hmm always no not too convinced about 347 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:36,720 UFOs were today showing in our planet he 348 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:39,330 was more always in the past he was 349 00:20:46,790 --> 00:20:42,930 always more in there in the past frame 350 00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:46,800 than in the present but now in the years 351 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:48,900 he started to be more open and he was 352 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:51,810 not skeptical anymore regarding to 353 00:20:58,650 --> 00:20:56,220 present visitations no my work always 354 00:21:02,720 --> 00:20:58,660 was the past 355 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:02,730 on the Preston I always I was also 356 00:21:09,419 --> 00:21:06,640 following histories and I in my early 357 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:09,429 research I was an ancient astronaut 358 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:13,990 theorists Alex I have a question for you 359 00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,700 do you feel like you've been treated in 360 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:18,000 a derisive manner like dr. Hynek was 361 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:20,169 with respect to your having been 362 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:28,169 involved in the ancient aliens show I 363 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:32,140 think it's kind of separate we had been 364 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:36,179 many ufologists we were kind of wake up 365 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:40,600 they they fit in in two sides of the 366 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:46,809 river I I always consider that collage 367 00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:49,030 achill aspect what archaeology has been 368 00:22:01,500 --> 00:21:53,620 a passion for me as ufology has also 369 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:01,510 cinema and media journalism but maybe 370 00:22:06,539 --> 00:22:03,940 yeah if you find some purists but they 371 00:22:09,149 --> 00:22:06,549 are not more purists anymore yeah maybe 372 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:09,159 kind of some friends in the scientific 373 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:14,080 community they thought I was living that 374 00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:18,400 kind of perspective am i the perspective 375 00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:22,320 of the scientific apology would some 376 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:25,960 side of ufology don't believe in there 377 00:22:33,299 --> 00:22:28,809 and shir not arouse us as I was 378 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:33,309 explaining just now also some of the 379 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:36,850 theories of the lost civilizations were 380 00:22:43,649 --> 00:22:41,049 skeptical to the UFOs today know for 381 00:22:49,159 --> 00:22:43,659 example Carl Sagan used to believe in 382 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:49,169 the impossible contact in the ancient 383 00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:54,010 Mesopotamia in Egypt but he was skeptic 384 00:23:00,990 --> 00:22:57,190 about the cases today I remember for 385 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:01,000 example when I met Carl Sagan in Carver 386 00:23:08,399 --> 00:23:06,490 in Boston and I was going trying to 387 00:23:10,919 --> 00:23:08,409 interview him after a lecture a 388 00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:10,929 fantastic lecture he gave to us to the 389 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:11,980 young 390 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:14,289 people they're talking about the nuclear 391 00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:18,130 winter and I approach Sagan and between 392 00:23:25,139 --> 00:23:20,289 lines I mention the name of Heineken and 393 00:23:27,659 --> 00:23:25,149 second kind of a Bryce his crest and he 394 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:27,669 started to said oh no I feel her 395 00:23:34,169 --> 00:23:29,830 connected with Hynek that means you 396 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:34,179 believe in UFOs the interview on his he 397 00:23:39,629 --> 00:23:37,510 grabbed his pickup his baby his arms I 398 00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:39,639 remember I was raining was a rainy 399 00:23:44,669 --> 00:23:42,820 afternoon late afternoon after the 400 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:44,679 lecture he started to run and I couldn't 401 00:23:54,629 --> 00:23:52,809 catch it my phone cause Alex when did 402 00:23:59,639 --> 00:23:54,639 you start to believe in the possibility 403 00:24:04,080 --> 00:23:59,649 of extraterrestrial civilizations oh I 404 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:04,090 was an early bird I was kind of I was in 405 00:24:10,169 --> 00:24:07,720 a Catholic school and I was not 406 00:24:14,129 --> 00:24:10,179 believing what they was being taught and 407 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:14,139 I used to escape to read in the library 408 00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:19,230 of the father's books on explorations 409 00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:23,320 following also the theories of Taylor 410 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:25,240 the shark then it was a Jesuit 411 00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,679 palaeontologist who was kind of trying 412 00:24:37,230 --> 00:24:31,840 to give explanation about the evolution 413 00:24:40,649 --> 00:24:37,240 of mankind how the spirit incarnate in 414 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:40,659 us and that kind of question between 415 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:46,679 heaven and hell and I started to kind of 416 00:24:53,789 --> 00:24:50,230 I start my imagination was trying to 417 00:24:57,620 --> 00:24:53,799 kind of turn myself in a science fiction 418 00:25:02,430 --> 00:24:57,630 writer I was kind of a science fiction 419 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:02,440 bass who was so dedicated to read all 420 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:04,330 the American science fiction I loved all 421 00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:12,220 the most all the classics that was my my 422 00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:16,000 starting but when I start to to read 423 00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:18,580 about mysteries of the past and the 424 00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:20,390 present and the 425 00:25:27,010 --> 00:25:25,220 get embedded with a school of fantastic 426 00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:27,020 release move and release more 427 00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:39,390 reality Kenneth and read nonfiction 428 00:25:49,049 --> 00:25:44,120 books and I was a place in Argentina 429 00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:49,059 called cerro colorado what we used to go 430 00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:52,660 in the summers who were some pictograph 431 00:26:03,730 --> 00:25:59,260 some kind of rock paintings illustrating 432 00:26:07,539 --> 00:26:03,740 also star maps and that was also one 433 00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,549 opening and i and it was that was also 434 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:09,440 yeah the periods of cherry all of the 435 00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:13,490 gods and his natural of the gods was a 436 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:20,020 big kind of torn in were believers our 437 00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:26,200 credo and cuddly christian faith and 438 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:32,559 that made me to kind of sit look for 439 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:35,510 what what was this painting how this 440 00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:39,490 indians were to advance to make this 441 00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:44,360 constellation maps on the rock very 442 00:26:48,909 --> 00:26:46,580 advanced is he also cultural disappear 443 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:48,919 they were kind of fair-skinned with beer 444 00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:51,350 they live in caves that connect me with 445 00:26:59,260 --> 00:26:56,720 my research into terrestrial world and 446 00:27:02,530 --> 00:26:59,270 near there was a landing case and i was 447 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:02,540 my first kind of case i went to study 448 00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:06,049 and i see the traces they so you fall 449 00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:10,400 the town nearby was burn in the form of 450 00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:13,640 a horseshoe and I was taking samples and 451 00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:21,169 then in that in that fall of 77 was 452 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,360 and my my first case can of 40 40 years 453 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:29,880 ago when I took samples and I took a 454 00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:32,850 sample of a palm who was perfect burn 455 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:37,880 but after I remember kind of one we were 456 00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:42,809 more child we were my brother and myself 457 00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:45,620 and my parents we were in a famous route 458 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:49,919 coming from the Atlantic South Atlantic 459 00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:53,570 coast and we saw kind of a metal 460 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:00,120 stationary object on the sky and that we 461 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:03,330 we left the car we went to see what what 462 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:05,010 that and was the time of the Apollo 463 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:09,330 mission Sunday everybody also was kind 464 00:28:17,289 --> 00:28:13,770 of curious about our jump to the space 465 00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,299 we were leaving the earth snow and also 466 00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,340 how was the connection of our ancient 467 00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:22,380 ancestors with the passo so they lived 468 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:24,500 there they were connection with the gods 469 00:28:28,580 --> 00:28:27,030 were connection with something what the 470 00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,590 world's no not necessary 471 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,679 mythical was period spiritual but 472 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:34,320 physical and that that was the questions 473 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:40,620 I was I started to do and also on an 474 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:42,690 early age I wrote a book on on the 475 00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:45,770 parallel dimensions I was a big jump in 476 00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:51,539 a few years - - that kind of search and 477 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:53,909 as a book would combine the past and the 478 00:29:03,320 --> 00:28:57,330 present and the mysteries of mind and 479 00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:03,330 the space and time Frank did you want to 480 00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,600 bring up Project Blue Book yeah yeah the 481 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:08,880 show is out there and of course Alex has 482 00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,250 already gone into some detail about 483 00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:13,200 basically how the idea was ripped off 484 00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:16,679 from him and they basically decided to 485 00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:19,500 take his idea for a documentary series 486 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:22,799 on all these cases and turn them into a 487 00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:26,100 fictional series basically and I didn't 488 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:27,630 watch it Alex you told me you didn't I 489 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:29,130 can understand why you wouldn't want to 490 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:31,350 watch it but I've watched it chance 491 00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:33,270 watched it - a lot of people have 492 00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:34,620 watched it they light 493 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:36,870 at least they tuned in so the hype god 494 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:39,750 of the tune in we'll see how well they 495 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:41,700 filled that pretty big audience that 496 00:29:47,060 --> 00:29:44,130 they got last Tuesday night but the 497 00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:47,070 first show I have to tell you was a huge 498 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:50,820 disappointment they just they 499 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:53,730 fictionalized too much in terms of a 500 00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:56,880 tone and the way that the show is shot 501 00:30:01,159 --> 00:29:59,370 it's basically an x-files ripoff and 502 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:01,169 they took about what's regarding it is a 503 00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:06,210 very good UFO case from 1948 the Gorman 504 00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,700 dogfight case they did take a couple of 505 00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:10,080 elements from it that the sort of 506 00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:12,419 surprised me that kind of got my 507 00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:14,039 attention especially in the opening 508 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:16,820 scene there was an opening scene where 509 00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,010 the UFO encounter takes place one little 510 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:22,740 detail that they got right was where the 511 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:27,090 pilot Gorman actually but in the show he 512 00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,190 was called fuller but the reality was it 513 00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:32,159 was an Air National Guard pilot named 514 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:32,880 Gorman 515 00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:34,770 he actually got buzzed a high school 516 00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,230 football stadium and they got that 517 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:39,120 detail right and I was kind of surprised 518 00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:41,610 and kind of optimistic some other 519 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:43,620 details they didn't get quite right in 520 00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:48,270 that initial encounter they had they had 521 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:50,940 the UFO actually colliding with the 522 00:30:57,139 --> 00:30:52,770 plane which in fact did not happen 523 00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:57,149 obviously and but still that opening 524 00:31:01,820 --> 00:30:59,490 sequence was not bad at all I was kind 525 00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:01,830 of interested to see how many more 526 00:31:08,779 --> 00:31:04,470 little details they get right from there 527 00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:08,789 it went downhill the producers of the 528 00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:10,740 show talked about how much research they 529 00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:13,620 bud and yeah it's a drama but to be 530 00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:15,179 honest with you they they took the real 531 00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:18,929 story and they basically took a big 532 00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:21,750 giant hour-long crap all over it that's 533 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:24,419 that's my opinion in a nutshell and I 534 00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:27,210 chant you want to jump in here and give 535 00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,529 us some of your thoughts on the show 536 00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:30,960 yeah I don't have a glowing review of it 537 00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:35,940 either I didn't care for it but at the 538 00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:37,950 same time I think accusing the History 539 00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:40,740 Channel of indulging in fantasy is like 540 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:42,539 accusing the movie industry of the same 541 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:45,480 and they definitely fulfilled their role 542 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:47,970 regarding that with this show 543 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:49,770 project Bluebook begins at a seminal 544 00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:52,650 time in the investigation of UFOs and 545 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:54,260 alien contact and the first episode 546 00:31:59,480 --> 00:31:56,850 introduces it at the beginning of the 547 00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:59,490 show hynek's character states there is a 548 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:01,380 difference between science fiction and 549 00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:03,570 informed speculation although both do 550 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:04,740 require an open mind 551 00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:07,890 Hynek care tonics character says this in 552 00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:10,920 the show this show is fulfilling that 553 00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,630 remark and not in a good way 554 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:14,820 aside from the usual mysterious and 555 00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,770 enigmatic special effects most scenes 556 00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:19,200 are shot in the dark or with less light 557 00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:20,580 than they'd like to see for clarity 558 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:22,950 harder to show banks on the premise that 559 00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:24,510 there's a public distrust of the US 560 00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:26,520 government I'm not sure when the 561 00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:27,750 distrust of the government happened 562 00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:30,780 exactly but historically speaking the 563 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:31,950 Vietnam War 564 00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:34,770 Watergate scandal and dr. Hynek doing an 565 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:35,940 about-face regarding the project 566 00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:37,710 Bluebook report is a good start 567 00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:41,310 around the 6-minute mark enters of 1947 568 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:44,160 Roswell UFO crash the introduction of it 569 00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:46,530 along with a few other UFO related 570 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:50,700 incidents the US government is informing 571 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:52,110 Hynek they believe there's a mass 572 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:55,050 hysteria regarding UFO activity and they 573 00:32:59,030 --> 00:32:57,210 want to stop this from happening the way 574 00:33:00,770 --> 00:32:59,040 it is portrayed in the show is that the 575 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:00,780 government wants to inject rational 576 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:02,370 thinking as they put it back into the 577 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:04,710 minds of the public by refuting any and 578 00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:07,050 audio flow related reports hence a 579 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:09,000 top-secret program called Project Blue 580 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:11,250 Book later on Henry Fuller's brought up 581 00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:13,410 who is really George Gorman a veteran 582 00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:15,270 fighter pilot of the Second World War 583 00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:18,360 and whipped at North Dakota Air National 584 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,160 Guard this is where the US government 585 00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:22,260 details their nefarious plan to 586 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:24,600 disengage the public's attention from 587 00:33:29,780 --> 00:33:27,240 UFO activity and to represent the UFO 588 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:29,790 phenomenon is unreal with the help of a 589 00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:31,890 realist Ron imir and professor to debunk 590 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:34,200 this hot topic who better to do this in 591 00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,690 dr. Hynek this is probably one of the 592 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:39,120 most accurate parts of the show which is 593 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:41,190 not saying much they should delve into 594 00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:42,810 the military and government role in this 595 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:44,580 story to maintain interest by their 596 00:33:49,910 --> 00:33:46,410 audience because now it's lapsing into a 597 00:33:53,060 --> 00:33:49,920 Spielberg movie the 10-minute mark finds 598 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:53,070 dr. Hynek saying dr. Hynek saying he 599 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:54,570 wants to be recognized just like his 600 00:33:58,910 --> 00:33:57,450 heroes Galileo and Kepler were as though 601 00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,920 he would be standing on the shoulders of 602 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:00,690 intellectual Giants 603 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:03,210 by explaining UFO reports I don't 604 00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:04,769 believe Hynek wanted to be recognized 605 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:06,179 the way the History Channel did pick 606 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:09,270 Sonicare at the 32 minute mark later on 607 00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:13,200 in the show Hynek speaking to the fuller 608 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:15,179 pilot at the hospital which to me is 609 00:34:19,279 --> 00:34:17,490 symbolic of Hynek coming to the 610 00:34:22,339 --> 00:34:19,289 realization there are legitimate UFO 611 00:34:25,099 --> 00:34:22,349 cases as a whole and the pilots symbolic 612 00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:25,109 of all witnesses who have had an 613 00:34:29,779 --> 00:34:27,899 authentic UFO encounter the show is 614 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:29,789 setting the audience up to understand 615 00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:32,250 Hynek will be facing an uphill battle in 616 00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:34,470 his role to refute any kind of UFO 617 00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:36,839 activity authentic or not I think it's 618 00:34:41,779 --> 00:34:39,240 important to maintain some realism about 619 00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:41,789 the history of both Hynek and Project 620 00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:43,139 Blue Book which is why I'd like to bring 621 00:34:49,099 --> 00:34:46,919 up the 27 mark of the show the 27 minute 622 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:49,109 mark where there's a fictional plane 623 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:51,929 crash which is what brings dr. Hynek and 624 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:53,730 a pilot who is the same US government 625 00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:56,129 agent together in a convenient manner to 626 00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,720 then segue into Hynek meeting up with 627 00:35:01,400 --> 00:34:59,520 the fuller pilot at the hospital I 628 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:01,410 thought the plane crash idea was 629 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:04,170 ridiculous and unnecessary as far as 630 00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:06,450 accuracy regarding the show matching the 631 00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:09,270 project Bluebook gorman UFO dogfight 632 00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:11,630 case I would say it's extremely weak 633 00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,619 regarding entertainment value I would 634 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:15,599 give it about a three out of ten The 635 00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,250 History Channel shows are not really 636 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:19,200 built to give a definitive synopsis of 637 00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:21,390 actual events but more of exactly what 638 00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:22,920 they claim to be which is a drama series 639 00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:25,829 well you know chip they could have done 640 00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,720 it a little bit more closely to the 641 00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:29,940 actual case one thing that they did 642 00:35:36,289 --> 00:35:32,880 actually get right was at the point they 643 00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,299 had about elevated radiation readings on 644 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:38,400 the plane itself that in fact did happen 645 00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:40,950 they did get that part right but 646 00:35:46,549 --> 00:35:44,520 eventually they came up with the as a 647 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,559 lighted balloon that part again was 648 00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,960 accurate that was an explanation that 649 00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:50,940 they thought was pretty accurate and 650 00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:54,329 they ultimately went with that and let's 651 00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,529 see they found that Gorman's Mustang 652 00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,940 p-51 which is also not the plane they 653 00:36:04,549 --> 00:36:01,680 used I don't know if that's a that big a 654 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:04,559 deal but any aviation buff would notice 655 00:36:09,260 --> 00:36:06,660 right away that the plane that they used 656 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:09,270 on the show was not a p-51 that was 657 00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,490 pretty clear but that was immeasurably 658 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:13,200 more radioactive than other fighters 659 00:36:16,329 --> 00:36:14,150 which had not 660 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:16,339 for several days this was taken as 661 00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:18,890 evidence that does normative law first 662 00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:22,460 to an atomic powered object so there was 663 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:25,940 that that was actually accurate but the 664 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:28,630 rest of it the a representation of 665 00:36:35,230 --> 00:36:32,930 Gorman fuller as you know like huddled 666 00:36:38,319 --> 00:36:35,240 up in a blanket this guy was a world war 667 00:36:39,849 --> 00:36:38,329 two veteran already at this point at the 668 00:36:42,609 --> 00:36:39,859 end of the show they they're sort of 669 00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,619 dragging him off in this blanket and 670 00:36:46,059 --> 00:36:44,240 giving him some sort of a like an 671 00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:46,069 injected lobotomy or something to keep 672 00:36:50,289 --> 00:36:48,230 him from talking it was ridiculous the 673 00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:50,299 fact is the grant stayed in the Air 674 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:52,430 National Guard another 20 years beyond 675 00:36:57,309 --> 00:36:54,770 this and retired as a lieutenant colonel 676 00:36:59,980 --> 00:36:57,319 so you know he continued to get promoted 677 00:37:02,740 --> 00:36:59,990 he had a fine career after all this but 678 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:02,750 he did say this I am convinced that 679 00:37:07,029 --> 00:37:04,609 there was a definite thought behind its 680 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:07,039 maneuvers I am can further convinced 681 00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,690 that the object was governed by the laws 682 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:11,119 of inertia because this acceleration was 683 00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:13,220 rapid but not immediate and although it 684 00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:14,869 was able to turn fairly tight at 685 00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:16,940 considerable speed it still followed a 686 00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,670 natural curve the the object was not 687 00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:21,920 only able to turn and out speed my 688 00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:24,230 aircraft but was able to attain a far 689 00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:26,390 steeper climb and was able to maintain a 690 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:28,760 constant rate of climb far in excess of 691 00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,510 my aircraft so you know there was a lot 692 00:37:36,339 --> 00:37:34,640 of opportunity to do a much better drama 693 00:37:40,809 --> 00:37:36,349 that there was disagreement between 694 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:40,819 Hynek and who was the the captain the 695 00:37:45,279 --> 00:37:43,490 the man in charge of Blue Book who is I 696 00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,289 guess sort of modeled after Edward 697 00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:46,640 rappelled but not entirely 698 00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:49,430 he sort of in that slot at least and I 699 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:50,630 don't know if it was a very good 700 00:37:56,829 --> 00:37:54,650 category categorisation of the man I'm 701 00:37:59,019 --> 00:37:56,839 sorry about that and yeah you bring out 702 00:38:02,109 --> 00:37:59,029 a really good point there's no way that 703 00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:02,119 they're gonna try to recreate the case 704 00:38:06,789 --> 00:38:03,859 by launching a balloon you've got two 705 00:38:09,250 --> 00:38:06,799 different wind patterns and so on from 706 00:38:11,710 --> 00:38:09,260 the night of the case so the idea if I'm 707 00:38:14,049 --> 00:38:11,720 trying to recreate that and fly around 708 00:38:15,730 --> 00:38:14,059 it and end up in a crash now it was 709 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:15,740 absolutely absurd and kind of 710 00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:18,170 unnecessary really since let's face it 711 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:21,260 if Heineken wanted access to speak to 712 00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:23,569 Gorman / fuller directly he could have 713 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:24,950 gotten it he was there with the guy was 714 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:27,770 in charge of a blue block so even though 715 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:29,330 neither one of those guys were actually 716 00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:31,810 there the they sent that there are 717 00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:34,240 anonymous at this point a taken 718 00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:37,540 investigators out to to talk to Gorman 719 00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:39,980 that's some dramatic license I can live 720 00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:42,700 with actually putting Hynek and 721 00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:45,560 quote-unquote rue Pelt out there and I 722 00:38:50,590 --> 00:38:47,600 mean that that sort of thing is fine but 723 00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:50,600 the categorization of Gorman and the 724 00:38:59,110 --> 00:38:56,270 immediate ramping up of the sort of 725 00:39:02,650 --> 00:38:59,120 x-files conspiracy behind all this the 726 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:02,660 truth is the accuracy is horse did want 727 00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:05,510 to get out of investigating at least UFO 728 00:39:09,970 --> 00:39:08,060 sightings from the public this was not 729 00:39:12,670 --> 00:39:09,980 one of those cases obviously Gorman was 730 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:12,680 a an Air National Guard pilot but the 731 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,570 news did get out there were additional 732 00:39:23,470 --> 00:39:16,160 witnesses and there were ground 733 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:23,480 witnesses from a commercial air traffic 734 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,790 control tower and there was also another 735 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:27,680 pilot who was up in the air a private 736 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:29,540 pilot was up in the air at the time yeah 737 00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:32,090 dr. cannon who was up in the air in his 738 00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,390 Piper Cub and he had also seen it and 739 00:39:40,540 --> 00:39:38,720 also I let that ground control know that 740 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:40,550 he had seen it this would be another 741 00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:42,230 element that you've got two witnesses 742 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:50,180 essentially saying the same thing I 743 00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:55,450 don't think what the show is which is a 744 00:40:03,010 --> 00:40:00,320 subpar x-files ripoff that takes a great 745 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:03,020 case and basically squadrons the 746 00:40:09,790 --> 00:40:06,410 opportunity in order to rip off a show 747 00:40:11,530 --> 00:40:09,800 that is 20 years old and nobody really 748 00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:11,540 cares about that much anymore so that 749 00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:15,200 does yeah that sums it up then it sounds 750 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:16,430 like you didn't have a very good review 751 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:22,130 of it Frank yes Alex 752 00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:23,930 I heard you react a little bit when 753 00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:25,430 Frank was talking did you have any input 754 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:27,740 on what we were talking about not very 755 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:29,570 good you should be you should be doing 756 00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:37,030 reviews for The Hollywood Reporter to be 757 00:40:45,490 --> 00:40:41,390 critical oh yes of course I 758 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:45,500 agree totally canis is fine the name of 759 00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:48,770 x-files are used in my original pitch to 760 00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:52,240 describe in the character of a high-neck 761 00:41:00,910 --> 00:40:57,230 the booboo command when opposition nose 762 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:00,920 Hynek as kind of a believer kind of mold 763 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:05,570 there yeah the officer of the Bluebook 764 00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:10,970 in my case was keen tunisia more kind of 765 00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:21,740 his collie no serious I never expect 766 00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:25,190 they're going to create bring Hynek to a 767 00:41:32,770 --> 00:41:29,360 pulp Pope character and what at the end 768 00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:32,780 with the assassination hoof of Gorman 769 00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:37,190 that was I said we kind of is kind of 770 00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:42,740 two to two comic book and I think I will 771 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,160 we know like we dislike it and also is 772 00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:49,760 very offensive to our air force to a USA 773 00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:54,350 I know they were they cover up and they 774 00:42:03,100 --> 00:41:59,330 kind of they distinct form they hide 775 00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:03,110 under the carpet a lot of cases a good 776 00:42:10,750 --> 00:42:07,280 information in in the last thirty fifty 777 00:42:13,570 --> 00:42:10,760 years but still to get to that point to 778 00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:13,580 put a bad guy stir and and creamy now 779 00:42:18,310 --> 00:42:15,350 this is too much 780 00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:18,320 I seen dr. Hynek we will not like the 781 00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:21,020 portrait of himself he was totally 782 00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:22,580 different guy if you could see and 783 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:26,780 YouTube many of his presentations and 784 00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:31,610 interviews he was a kind of a very kind 785 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:37,840 of jovial and and kind of he was 786 00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:41,330 believing in science and he believed a 787 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:45,880 mystery he was fascinating as a kid one 788 00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:49,670 when he want to kind of recollect 789 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:51,740 information and I kind of I remember 790 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:54,770 what when I show my drawings of my field 791 00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:55,250 research 792 00:43:00,340 --> 00:42:57,950 so if he was fascinated to see the 793 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:00,350 visual aspect know how I would witness 794 00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:03,910 they draw I always get very happy with 795 00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:08,660 the witness was making drawings of of 796 00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:11,900 the case no no only the mine in that 797 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:14,990 time was photography but they were not 798 00:43:21,220 --> 00:43:17,480 video the the use of video was a 799 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:21,230 different thing they just started to to 800 00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:24,890 kind of be the BD was in evidence I 801 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:28,280 remember he gave me in one of his trips 802 00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,490 a video about the case in what Amala he 803 00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:34,400 was he loved that case of what a malice 804 00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:37,640 city that metal object he gave me two or 805 00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:40,340 three videos of his collection but I 806 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:44,870 still keep in my collection but that 807 00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:49,010 that that the spirit of scientific 808 00:43:58,570 --> 00:43:53,600 research is not representing in the 809 00:44:02,740 --> 00:43:58,580 series is a hero honty arrow I think 810 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,750 this totally be trained in in the case 811 00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:04,880 they really totally stole my concept 812 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:08,860 they betray my original concept but for 813 00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:12,410 them a different parallel Croatia and 814 00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:17,750 steel is very kind of childish and to 815 00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:20,510 use his name no and I don't understand 816 00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:23,750 how the family allow that that kind of 817 00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:28,640 take but we are in the 21st century we 818 00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:31,270 are in kind of tremblin and this this 819 00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:34,580 kind of America of today is not the same 820 00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:40,550 America dr. Hynek leaves yeah leave 821 00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:42,980 before and it's sort of insulting to the 822 00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:45,140 intelligence of the audience because 823 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:49,280 this is you know and now Jerome Clark 824 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:51,850 who I'm sure you're familiar with yeah 825 00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:53,750 you know I'm not sure how familiar 826 00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:55,940 everybody listening but easy you follow 827 00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,190 just from back in the day I believe he's 828 00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:01,040 passed away since then but he considered 829 00:45:05,530 --> 00:45:04,070 oh no la oh is he stole okay okay cuz I 830 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:05,540 know he's been at it for a long time I 831 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:07,250 don't know that he's I don't see that 832 00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:08,520 he's still all that active 833 00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:11,820 but I know he goes back aways but he was 834 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:14,310 of the opinion that the Gorman case is 835 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:16,140 sort of an overrated case that he does 836 00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,810 by the air forces explanation that it 837 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:21,000 was a lighted weather balloon you know 838 00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:22,410 it's one of those things you can argue 839 00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,220 back over and the idea of presenting the 840 00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:28,560 case very forensic ly very accurately 841 00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:30,630 the way it is and sort of let the people 842 00:45:36,370 --> 00:45:32,940 decide and dramatically have some back 843 00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:36,380 and forth between Hynek and the Rue Pelt 844 00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:39,060 the guy the character who's in the repel 845 00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:41,460 slot so to speak and that has some back 846 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:43,800 and forth between both of them yeah we 847 00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:45,810 want to get this explained hynek's 848 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:48,270 holding out I mean there can be some 849 00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,130 drama in there without ramping up the 850 00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:52,560 melodrama and the x-files ripoff all the 851 00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:55,080 way to 11 right in that literally in the 852 00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,920 second scene that literally well the the 853 00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:00,420 route belt character is trying to pitch 854 00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,760 Hynek on not joining and helping out 855 00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:04,560 with the project they're playing this 856 00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:06,630 dark forbidding music in the background 857 00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,360 it was totally inappropriate and that's 858 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:12,000 when I was a little bit leery about 859 00:46:16,810 --> 00:46:13,650 where is that where is the show exactly 860 00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:16,820 going and how much how much of our 861 00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:19,260 x-files ripoff of this show really going 862 00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:22,200 to be and unfortunately they really like 863 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:26,430 I said they took it up to 11 Alex when 864 00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:28,650 we were talking earlier today just to 865 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:33,860 ask you a different question we kind of 866 00:46:39,830 --> 00:46:37,730 went over some very interesting things 867 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:39,840 you said that you helped to feed 868 00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:43,170 information to UFO cat the IBM system to 869 00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,120 use statistics to understand the 870 00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:47,280 behavior of the phenomena and make 871 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:49,110 predictive models of sightings and you 872 00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:53,010 continue working on this you continue to 873 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:55,020 work on this after the death of dr. 874 00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:57,930 Hynek with Jacques de Molay and dr. 875 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:00,180 Willy Smith and he sent the balusters 876 00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:03,930 almost and also you explained a little 877 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:06,990 bit about helping to open up certain 878 00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:09,510 files with regards to two countries can 879 00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:11,190 you explain a little bit about all of 880 00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:14,280 that we're going back to the late 881 00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:17,790 seventies yeah in that period well 882 00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:21,630 Hynek was focusing to kind of recollect 883 00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:22,380 him for me 884 00:47:33,350 --> 00:47:27,270 of all over the war and to submit it to 885 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:33,360 an IBM program hiney was trying to see 886 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:39,090 if getting accurate um better field 887 00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:42,690 research know what many of the catalogs 888 00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:45,990 were base it in a newspaper clips of all 889 00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:48,660 in us but all over the world and 890 00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:51,600 sometimes the the growth of the 891 00:47:58,340 --> 00:47:53,750 information was coming from the press I 892 00:48:01,150 --> 00:47:58,350 don't I don't kind of criticize my 893 00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:01,160 fellow Journal he's saying they couldn't 894 00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:04,260 retain they couldn't do a call a good 895 00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:08,460 survey interviewing witness and all this 896 00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,670 this year for nineteen fifties to today 897 00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:14,640 but for example I always could decide 898 00:48:21,110 --> 00:48:16,590 the Roswell case I think America was 899 00:48:25,070 --> 00:48:21,120 very bad he investigated we have this 900 00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:25,080 kind of some some events when they 901 00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:29,150 happen you don't have the the right 902 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:33,480 people around also in going to another 903 00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:36,170 extreme case but the JFK assassination 904 00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:39,300 was very bad research in the first 24 905 00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:43,140 hours on the first 48 out but what 906 00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:48,590 passing and another kind of level of of 907 00:48:57,380 --> 00:48:54,300 reconstruction of cases as always the 908 00:49:03,230 --> 00:48:57,390 guy who interview if it's a skill enough 909 00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:03,240 or not I kinda used to tell us the 910 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:06,300 witness the you force the witness is so 911 00:49:14,530 --> 00:49:10,290 important testimony that really kind of 912 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:14,540 forge in us in the fire that kind of 913 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:18,450 concept not but the witness contained at 914 00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:20,010 the information if you don't have a 915 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:24,240 photo if you don't have a a video today 916 00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:31,050 is you still have to be basing in the 917 00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:34,980 testimony you are capturing front from 918 00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:35,790 the 919 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:41,369 idiosyncrasy but imagine all this kind 920 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:46,050 of 50 70 years of ufology and all the 921 00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:50,850 information dispersed and the fate of a 922 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:54,270 lien was trying to create predictive 923 00:50:00,800 --> 00:49:58,050 models using information also the season 924 00:50:06,590 --> 00:50:00,810 of Jack's Ballet of Taiwan two two three 925 00:50:09,830 --> 00:50:06,600 four incorporate that classification to 926 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:09,840 the computers and to see how the 927 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:11,730 phenomena was behaving that was the 928 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:15,090 creation of the UFO cut the you folk at 929 00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:20,490 and was his big enterprise and when he 930 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:25,310 left Chicago he went to Arizona 931 00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,130 Scottdale that dream was continual 932 00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:32,040 working in the UFO cut and that was 933 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:34,470 Willie's meet was a physicist from 934 00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:37,410 Norway was a kind of a sidekick also he 935 00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:39,240 travelled with him coming to 936 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:43,470 international conventions and summits 937 00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:48,359 and research we help that Teufel cut 938 00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,950 from the late 70s to 80s also Spain was 939 00:51:02,570 --> 00:50:58,400 Vicente Mysterio almost a serious 940 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:02,580 researcher who put in in computer but 941 00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:06,810 also he worked for IBM the leader of my 942 00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:09,780 group - he was a computer analyst and we 943 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:12,840 we converge and Hynek he like that also 944 00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:17,250 ballet was informant difficut was 945 00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:19,980 created we created a system corrosion 946 00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:23,190 cut in our cases but they were all kind 947 00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:25,230 of connected and exchanging information 948 00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:30,780 and guyhnic was always tell us it's a 949 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:34,260 time of harvest say we stop it's a time 950 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:37,290 of recollection in the best way we can 951 00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:40,770 with more seriousness and also he was 952 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:46,080 alert of all the charlatanism he was he 953 00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:48,850 was trained to 954 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:52,760 escape from all the contactee movement 955 00:52:00,550 --> 00:51:55,810 who always was constant not only us but 956 00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:00,560 in the rest of the war and to and to see 957 00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:04,880 what also yeah he was visiting Europe he 958 00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:07,420 was in his darling 959 00:52:16,030 --> 00:52:12,470 with all the Norwegians ufologist who 960 00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:16,040 also have some physicists studying this 961 00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:18,260 kind of the fellow man Italy with the 962 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:22,940 cone with Pinotti and having seen the 963 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:24,730 phenomena was global 964 00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:28,490 no matter the apology started to be kind 965 00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:31,100 of more America what America is the king 966 00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:33,950 of the media know of the communication 967 00:52:40,810 --> 00:52:37,700 and I was already in 47 and is today and 968 00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:40,820 then you spread all over is the center 969 00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:45,440 of the Empire but in in science and 970 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:48,800 cutting-edge in culture and many other 971 00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:52,370 kind of about culture between quotes and 972 00:53:00,970 --> 00:52:57,880 all of subcultures excuse me Sukkot and 973 00:53:02,970 --> 00:53:00,980 kind ago was telling us this is the time 974 00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:02,980 of recollection the time of harvest 975 00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:09,710 harvesting we are kind of picking all 976 00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:13,420 this information and maybe in the future 977 00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:16,190 another generation but I don't think he 978 00:53:21,790 --> 00:53:18,680 was telling us we are going to see the 979 00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:21,800 end of the tunnel of the mystery we know 980 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:25,310 going to resolve today the full spectrum 981 00:53:36,460 --> 00:53:32,510 of of this UFO logical enigmas but with 982 00:53:40,410 --> 00:53:36,470 information you are kind of recollecting 983 00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:40,420 publishing magazines bulletins 984 00:53:47,590 --> 00:53:43,820 creating this catalog statistics that 985 00:53:51,250 --> 00:53:47,600 will be helped to create a model but the 986 00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:51,260 predictive model I think with rain of 987 00:53:58,030 --> 00:53:54,200 the times and so many kind of different 988 00:54:01,060 --> 00:53:58,040 a school of approach the psychological 989 00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:01,070 school the philosophical school 990 00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,420 if if they're real physical is 991 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:07,280 extraterrestrial theory was still 992 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:10,850 dominant but challenging for the 40 M 993 00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:19,250 phenomena the - a manic school mixing 994 00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:24,680 with new kind of back back flashy kind 995 00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:29,540 of as coming back to the 60s of 50 so to 996 00:54:35,350 --> 00:54:32,870 the goal war as to the Stars and I start 997 00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:35,360 to see in the phenomena of dangerous to 998 00:54:44,620 --> 00:54:38,720 their to our planet we have all this in 999 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:44,630 and out kind of I don't know moving 1000 00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:50,050 forward and also involutions 1001 00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:54,640 and always were an award of ideas but 1002 00:55:02,770 --> 00:54:58,970 designs the scientific metal we cannot 1003 00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:02,780 approach and as that that that was kind 1004 00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:08,240 of I think Hynek finish his days with a 1005 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:11,630 lot of deception with the deception of 1006 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:18,670 his pals the people who were offering so 1007 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:22,130 so much and we gonna give anything for 1008 00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:26,330 example dr. Hynek he get $1,000 for 1009 00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:30,440 julia michael phillips to work in the 1010 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:34,940 film and and also I was with David Jake 1011 00:55:39,790 --> 00:55:37,130 who's recently and he told me that an 1012 00:55:41,410 --> 00:55:39,800 alert with he told Alan look they 1013 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:41,420 announced Close Encounters of the Third 1014 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:45,530 Kind in there in the newspapers no I 1015 00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:47,690 don't believe it you know he asked me to 1016 00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,630 use like the name the same the same 1017 00:55:54,340 --> 00:55:52,640 thing happened with the high neck sense 1018 00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:54,350 they didn't know he thought he was doing 1019 00:56:01,810 --> 00:55:59,330 desert I said we we have a kind of this 1020 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:01,820 kind of what evolution evolution but I 1021 00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:06,410 seen he was seen and a scientific 1022 00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:11,390 ufology was kind of coming down all the 1023 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:13,880 groups who were not United the constant 1024 00:56:18,070 --> 00:56:15,530 Wars concerned Eagles you have always 1025 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:18,080 the same kind of talking heads is a 1026 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:20,450 group you seen the convention the same 1027 00:56:29,410 --> 00:56:25,850 people and sometimes the more daily rant 1028 00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:29,420 the leaders is the one in the bringing 1029 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:35,230 the conduct in the orchestra and as and 1030 00:56:42,570 --> 00:56:39,650 and I saw that in many congressmen only 1031 00:56:47,590 --> 00:56:42,580 here but all over the world that kind of 1032 00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:47,600 no no finding a line the line the 1033 00:56:57,730 --> 00:56:55,310 horizon is kind of shake again well for 1034 00:57:02,970 --> 00:56:57,740 example yeah a disclosure yeah we 1035 00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:02,980 remember we brought Hynek to try to 1036 00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:05,390 dialogue with the Air Force in the 1037 00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:07,400 eighties in my country my original 1038 00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:10,220 country was a crash was a kind of 1039 00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:12,710 mysterious kind of blue spot in the 1040 00:57:19,810 --> 00:57:15,500 Andes and we couldn't get in information 1041 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:19,820 from the from the military from the 1042 00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:21,890 aerospace division and we were kinda 1043 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:25,070 trying to see if maybe we open some kind 1044 00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:28,130 of communication that was an early in 1045 00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:33,590 early movement to to start a cooperation 1046 00:57:40,990 --> 00:57:36,110 between the countries to to disclosure 1047 00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:41,000 no I never get the final reports of that 1048 00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:45,440 case but they were otherwise yeah before 1049 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:50,540 and they'll wave of 1978 and they were 1050 00:57:55,420 --> 00:57:52,730 someone in the last years in the last 1051 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:55,430 twenty years were some openings of 1052 00:58:02,830 --> 00:57:57,290 another countries Europe and South 1053 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:02,840 America to open the way and still using 1054 00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:06,890 some scientists be on him invisible 1055 00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:10,670 college in every country to to dedicate 1056 00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:16,480 to the phenomenon but I think it's still 1057 00:58:24,790 --> 00:58:21,800 we don't see the light in the end of the 1058 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:24,800 tunnel also with the media and I could 1059 00:58:27,250 --> 00:58:26,690 talk for hours about the role of the 1060 00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:27,260 media 1061 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:30,020 Media well I just got a jumpy guy just 1062 00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:31,850 let me jump in here real quick I think 1063 00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:34,460 you have seen a little bit more related 1064 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:36,200 to that invisible college you're talking 1065 00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,810 about over the last year or so that does 1066 00:58:43,090 --> 00:58:40,640 seem to be happening at least a little 1067 00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:43,100 bit now we're gonna have a Diana for 1068 00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,190 salka on in a couple weeks talking a 1069 00:58:52,210 --> 00:58:49,040 little bit more about that so that that 1070 00:58:53,770 --> 00:58:52,220 is I think maybe cracking a little bit 1071 00:58:54,970 --> 00:58:53,780 so there might be some light at the end 1072 00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:54,980 of the tunnel at least in that 1073 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:01,430 department um Alex I did have another 1074 00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:05,210 question related to the technology that 1075 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:07,700 we were just talking about and that is 1076 00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:10,130 regarding the IBM system the UFO cat 1077 00:59:15,010 --> 00:59:12,800 that uses statistics to understand the 1078 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:15,020 behavior of the phenomena and make 1079 00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:17,210 predictive models of sightings did dr. 1080 00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:20,270 valet the computer scientist create this 1081 00:59:31,090 --> 00:59:26,150 program what's the combined was not only 1082 00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:31,100 himself well we we use some of his 1083 00:59:39,150 --> 00:59:33,950 topologies his classification but it was 1084 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:39,160 we combined combined system yes okay so 1085 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:42,610 in the you forgot use some of the 1086 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:46,130 balance of course okay and I just not 1087 00:59:50,260 --> 00:59:47,810 that not to interrupt but I got to do it 1088 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:50,270 here because yeah you guys do bring it 1089 00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,410 up also a Tom DeLonge and Lou Elizondo 1090 01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:56,720 were in Italy a few months back doing a 1091 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:00,160 presentation in in Rome I assume about 1092 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:02,690 what they're up to and one of the things 1093 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:04,130 that the long said that he was working 1094 01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:08,450 on was a a type of a UFO database that 1095 01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,630 was going to be able to go in and 1096 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:13,280 analyze and maybe do predictions that 1097 01:00:19,180 --> 01:00:16,370 type of thing not sure exactly how it's 1098 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:19,190 gonna manifest itself but that is one of 1099 01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:21,050 the things he talked about and one of 1100 01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:22,760 the things that we talked about was that 1101 01:00:28,750 --> 01:00:26,030 particular Alex and I one of the things 1102 01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:28,760 that we talked about a few weeks back 1103 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:31,670 was regarding their appearance over in 1104 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:34,010 Italy and what did you think about all 1105 01:00:42,970 --> 01:00:35,850 that 1106 01:00:46,070 --> 01:00:42,980 yeah I was informed and I just show it 1107 01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:46,080 give us a premier to the American 1108 01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:49,140 audiences in my new phone lecture in 1109 01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,020 Philadelphia and I think wow it's very 1110 01:00:58,790 --> 01:00:55,200 interesting to see they get invited by 1111 01:01:02,330 --> 01:00:58,800 the cool and as they were looking to 1112 01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:02,340 start to kind of recollect and do 1113 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:04,500 comparison with the International 1114 01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:09,330 ufology I hope is for pure science and I 1115 01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:12,990 know for the defense mentality or trying 1116 01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:19,760 to kind of extract some kind of elements 1117 01:01:25,610 --> 01:01:23,160 that goes beyond ufology 1118 01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:25,620 I don't know if you understand my my 1119 01:01:34,850 --> 01:01:29,670 position regarding to analyze that I see 1120 01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:34,860 they they went to kind of yeah to have 1121 01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:38,910 access to the old files for the cou have 1122 01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:43,950 selves and a thousand of case collected 1123 01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:47,910 and investigated with a lot of kind of 1124 01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:53,630 dedication of 50 60 years but the 1125 01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:56,280 colleagues of the [\h__\h] were telling me 1126 01:02:01,820 --> 01:01:59,010 sent true for logical nacionales could 1127 01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:01,830 know okay and the leader is Roberto 1128 01:02:09,740 --> 01:02:05,420 Pinotti my old friend who also organized 1129 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:09,750 that great the best International 1130 01:02:15,350 --> 01:02:11,850 Congress used to help Emma still couple 1131 01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:15,360 in San Marino Republic of San Marino who 1132 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:18,720 is a country inside of the country still 1133 01:02:25,850 --> 01:02:22,770 we are in Italy and and in that Congress 1134 01:02:28,550 --> 01:02:25,860 yeah we saw so many kind of interesting 1135 01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:28,560 since happiness was the first time call 1136 01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:31,670 so talk in public about his 1137 01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:35,760 disappearance and his theories and yeah 1138 01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:41,280 for example but Italians were telling me 1139 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:43,500 we have we were expecting we are going 1140 01:02:49,339 --> 01:02:46,410 to receive some kind of news or some 1141 01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:49,349 update of one year ago that was 1142 01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:52,619 big expectation and they don't really 1143 01:02:59,479 --> 01:02:55,319 bring anything new they gave him a 1144 01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:59,489 history lesson basically there were a 1145 01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:00,660 couple of nuggets in there that we're 1146 01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:02,180 interesting it was interesting to see 1147 01:03:06,499 --> 01:03:04,529 essentially yeah elizondo's history 1148 01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:06,509 lesson that the history of UFOs 1149 01:03:11,479 --> 01:03:09,599 according to Lou Elizondo but aside from 1150 01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:11,489 that there wasn't a whole lot new it was 1151 01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:12,839 just interesting hearing it come from 1152 01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:18,059 him right yeah I think it is a good 1153 01:03:25,549 --> 01:03:22,529 speaker as we listen to him dear and the 1154 01:03:29,779 --> 01:03:25,559 Congress or the MUFON national congress 1155 01:03:32,299 --> 01:03:29,789 but Elizondo i was trying to interview 1156 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:32,309 him also for the Spanish media and he 1157 01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:38,450 was kind of very kind of type of 1158 01:03:46,819 --> 01:03:41,460 Hollywood fever but you have to have 1159 01:03:51,590 --> 01:03:46,829 kind of previous and tangly may not have 1160 01:03:53,469 --> 01:03:51,600 access to the Public Relation of his 1161 01:03:56,299 --> 01:03:53,479 [Music] 1162 01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:56,309 that must've been in Jersey last summer 1163 01:03:58,579 --> 01:03:57,900 I see you got a picture of him we got 1164 01:04:02,749 --> 01:03:58,589 that up right now 1165 01:04:06,979 --> 01:04:02,759 so yeah yeah the cherry hill yeah it was 1166 01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:06,989 big disappointed but he kind of he was 1167 01:04:13,489 --> 01:04:09,390 interesting to speak in Spanish for also 1168 01:04:15,380 --> 01:04:13,499 my followers of my audience as I write I 1169 01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:15,390 have columns in the Spanish language 1170 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:19,440 about the apology but and he he come to 1171 01:04:23,479 --> 01:04:21,450 see once I remember it was kind of 1172 01:04:25,489 --> 01:04:23,489 talking in one corner with Travis Walter 1173 01:04:29,269 --> 01:04:25,499 I said well I don't forget you but 1174 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:29,279 finally he disappear and I try to get 1175 01:04:36,380 --> 01:04:33,569 that interview to have access to do 1176 01:04:38,299 --> 01:04:36,390 exchange also yeah to see what is the 1177 01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:38,309 position with the international things 1178 01:04:44,509 --> 01:04:41,910 as many of us we could really kind of 1179 01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:44,519 cooperate for that Union but I think is 1180 01:04:51,319 --> 01:04:48,180 is again we start to see the separation 1181 01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:51,329 of you follow general but I am very kind 1182 01:04:59,599 --> 01:04:55,559 of we have to be thanks to him as the 1183 01:05:03,150 --> 01:04:59,609 disclosure of one year ago through the 1184 01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,160 DoD gesture on has to change 1185 01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:05,920 how the media will see now the apologies 1186 01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:09,039 had been a positive we were expecting 1187 01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:11,529 now we expect too much but in the moment 1188 01:05:17,759 --> 01:05:15,369 when he required remember I was this day 1189 01:05:22,769 --> 01:05:17,769 day before I was with Neil deGrasse 1190 01:05:25,739 --> 01:05:22,779 Tyson in a lecture he was given in New 1191 01:05:29,759 --> 01:05:25,749 Jersey and after the lecture I went to 1192 01:05:34,259 --> 01:05:29,769 say hello but already met him and we're 1193 01:05:41,009 --> 01:05:34,269 honoring my club Explorers Club here two 1194 01:05:46,739 --> 01:05:41,019 years ago and when I mentioned I asked a 1195 01:05:50,489 --> 01:05:46,749 question to a backstage and I said how 1196 01:05:55,170 --> 01:05:50,499 we could back to have a scientific kind 1197 01:05:59,180 --> 01:05:55,180 of scientific kind of approach with how 1198 01:06:01,650 --> 01:05:59,190 we could have an approach between 1199 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:01,660 ufologists and scientists a kind of a 1200 01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:05,710 cooperation he started to kind of laugh 1201 01:06:16,859 --> 01:06:10,799 I said but you fools kind of it's 1202 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:16,869 abductions he start to scream all the 1203 01:06:24,989 --> 01:06:18,609 people were looking at me I get very 1204 01:06:27,329 --> 01:06:24,999 embarrassed the next day was announcing 1205 01:06:29,969 --> 01:06:27,339 in the New York Times and that was the 1206 01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,979 people started on really left and they'd 1207 01:06:38,999 --> 01:06:32,559 seen the one who laughs last will be 1208 01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,009 built yeah I seen yeah where were 1209 01:06:45,269 --> 01:06:40,960 welcome to have the international 1210 01:06:50,269 --> 01:06:45,279 cooperation I hope but knowing the way 1211 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:50,279 we could set is the moral doctrine no 1212 01:06:54,930 --> 01:06:52,650 American for the American I said 1213 01:06:59,160 --> 01:06:54,940 American for the war I said that 1214 01:07:05,160 --> 01:06:59,170 cooperation was what kind a mission aid 1215 01:07:09,630 --> 01:07:05,170 until he's dead until 1996 he was still 1216 01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:09,640 alive he was trying to see the ufology 1217 01:07:18,479 --> 01:07:15,160 was a good communion between serious 1218 01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:18,489 fever surgery apologies and the 1219 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:21,160 universities in every country and also 1220 01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:23,410 yeah the military forces working 1221 01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:26,319 together kind of that kind of thing but 1222 01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:35,160 unfortunately yeah we have to be 1223 01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:39,359 realistic and if we mix the subject of 1224 01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:42,249 Defence and we coming back looks like 1225 01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:44,140 we're coming back to the panel reversal 1226 01:07:50,370 --> 01:07:48,249 in 1953 maybe maybe there's talk of that 1227 01:07:58,259 --> 01:07:50,380 there's talk of briefings up on Capitol 1228 01:08:00,359 --> 01:07:58,269 Hill so we'll see but I think Mia ining 1229 01:08:03,989 --> 01:08:00,369 will be disappointed how the media are 1230 01:08:07,799 --> 01:08:03,999 treating the subject we don't have any 1231 01:08:11,759 --> 01:08:07,809 really breaking through breaking through 1232 01:08:18,839 --> 01:08:11,769 kind of scientific investigation twenty 1233 01:08:21,329 --> 01:08:18,849 years ago was the stew rock pallet the 1234 01:08:23,789 --> 01:08:21,339 Peter has to rope yeah professor Stewart 1235 01:08:26,129 --> 01:08:23,799 from Stanford right and Hina always 1236 01:08:29,459 --> 01:08:26,139 talked very good about him and we have 1237 01:08:35,309 --> 01:08:29,469 to follow on that that was the last 1238 01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:35,319 great event on ufology was in 1997 but 1239 01:08:48,419 --> 01:08:38,319 from there we have a scattered kind of 1240 01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:48,429 movement but we don't have really new 1241 01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:55,630 cases or who really bring us to to to 1242 01:09:03,209 --> 01:08:58,650 create a new fervor and your enthusiasm 1243 01:09:08,999 --> 01:09:03,219 the book we are frozen 1950s I say that 1244 01:09:12,839 --> 01:09:09,009 that is very coincidental we back again 1245 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:12,849 to the Cold War we like this kind of 1246 01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:16,810 series the Americans the Mad Men but I'm 1247 01:09:24,829 --> 01:09:19,239 thinking in the young people we don't 1248 01:09:28,559 --> 01:09:24,839 have role models right Sagan is dead 1249 01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:28,569 Neil deGrasse Tyson is in the shallow 1250 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:33,520 Cousteau died many years ago we have the 1251 01:09:42,599 --> 01:09:38,890 kind of some television anchors would 1252 01:09:47,849 --> 01:09:42,609 they're very camel disappointed the more 1253 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:47,859 humor mystical than series and but but 1254 01:09:53,309 --> 01:09:50,170 worry what is the new generation what is 1255 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:53,319 what is seen yeah I think that's a 1256 01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:54,850 really important point that you're 1257 01:10:00,720 --> 01:09:58,330 bringing up it kind of leads me to a 1258 01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:00,730 slightly different question and topic 1259 01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:03,460 and what I wanted to ask you was since 1260 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:05,110 you're from South American have an 1261 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:07,690 Italian background have you observed any 1262 01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:09,850 difference in how the Italian in Latin 1263 01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:12,940 the Latino world perceives UFO phenomena 1264 01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:14,350 versus the United States 1265 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:21,160 oh yes I I start to see it and in my 1266 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:24,970 trips after leaving a period here and I 1267 01:10:32,430 --> 01:10:28,090 started to travel back working in 1268 01:10:34,770 --> 01:10:32,440 Project Europe and South America I start 1269 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:34,780 to see this more open in the people the 1270 01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:38,250 people on the streets also go by logic 1271 01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:43,110 you're starting with there with our 1272 01:10:49,740 --> 01:10:46,450 neighbor country our Mexican brothers 1273 01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,750 you could see how the people are open 1274 01:10:55,050 --> 01:10:51,520 and you have the phenomena floating in 1275 01:10:57,180 --> 01:10:55,060 their heads that this and in the volcano 1276 01:10:59,340 --> 01:10:57,190 area of Mexico City the most populated 1277 01:11:02,520 --> 01:10:59,350 areas and integration of the 1278 01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:02,530 phenomenally people not friend and is 1279 01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:06,160 you could talk with the pilots and they 1280 01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:09,910 tell you and they help you or the term 1281 01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:13,180 friends and they kind of reveal 1282 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:17,350 information in the towers of saying here 1283 01:11:24,740 --> 01:11:20,410 you every every tip I do I go to the 1284 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:24,750 cockpits yeah now 20 years ago hosting 1285 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:28,690 and they get they get sometimes they get 1286 01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:33,610 take it funny no they get you in common 1287 01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:36,040 eight many of the pilots and the 1288 01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:37,870 question was they said no I cannot talk 1289 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:41,440 and it's a but but I didn't have any 1290 01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:42,290 experience 1291 01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:45,350 but I have my friends and that kind of 1292 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:50,750 different different kind of various ISM 1293 01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:55,370 I don't sing in a pilot in South America 1294 01:12:00,250 --> 01:11:57,080 and Brazil and Chile will we have 1295 01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:00,260 promised he he talked to a journalist or 1296 01:12:10,210 --> 01:12:04,990 two apologies about that yeah I remember 1297 01:12:14,230 --> 01:12:10,220 cannot fight I was coming from France to 1298 01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:14,240 the US and her friends and the I went to 1299 01:12:19,630 --> 01:12:17,300 Assam the pilots all kind of capital 1300 01:12:21,790 --> 01:12:19,640 they were funds the French loved the 1301 01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:21,800 subject they bind me there to cope we 1302 01:12:35,650 --> 01:12:32,750 were drinking champagne yeah but that 1303 01:12:39,460 --> 01:12:35,660 that kind of thing yes but now it's 1304 01:12:43,630 --> 01:12:39,470 changing I seem after the rise of 1305 01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:43,640 ancient aliens after the coup Munich a 1306 01:12:49,150 --> 01:12:46,580 low of the DoD Elizondo less here also 1307 01:12:52,570 --> 01:12:49,160 there are kind of changing and the 1308 01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:52,580 tension of people who were for example 1309 01:12:56,710 --> 01:12:54,680 pilot I remember Heinicke used to give 1310 01:13:00,910 --> 01:12:56,720 so much importance not only kinda but 1311 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:00,920 doctor Richard Hynes to to the the pilot 1312 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:04,010 testimony no the professionals police 1313 01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:07,850 forces army forces kind of Defense 1314 01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,470 personnel or fire department 1315 01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:13,760 firefighters and would have some more 1316 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:18,310 skills and some capacity of observation 1317 01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:21,370 or some kind of professional background 1318 01:13:28,210 --> 01:13:25,310 to endorse the sightings but I think 1319 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:28,220 that that they change but I see of 1320 01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:31,370 course outside of the states are more 1321 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:36,110 opening there are less tension in in the 1322 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:38,570 professional lab and also in the in the 1323 01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:42,890 ordinary people and in so and in Chile 1324 01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:46,310 they do these festivals in his wine and 1325 01:13:54,689 --> 01:13:53,420 UFOs the day is the day of the UFOs in 1326 01:13:57,060 --> 01:13:54,699 this town 1327 01:14:01,370 --> 01:13:57,070 town and they are welcome and they make 1328 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:01,380 a landing track they go to do constant 1329 01:14:07,979 --> 01:14:04,690 night watches stargazing but there are 1330 01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:07,989 youthful gaze yeah in code sports law 1331 01:14:15,140 --> 01:14:10,630 talking about in many countries is 1332 01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:15,150 Brazil Argentina Chile Mexico Carlson 1333 01:14:24,899 --> 01:14:20,590 you for watches Spain yeah the France is 1334 01:14:28,469 --> 01:14:24,909 very open the British - yeah you can see 1335 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:28,479 all the countries in Central Europe yeah 1336 01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:31,090 in the East the Orion yeah you have 1337 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:36,400 Japan very open to as I also my lecture 1338 01:14:45,449 --> 01:14:42,010 I was talking about this new event what 1339 01:14:48,839 --> 01:14:45,459 China is bringing the column of science 1340 01:14:51,689 --> 01:14:48,849 of China in collusion in union with 1341 01:14:53,959 --> 01:14:51,699 academia of science of Russia and also 1342 01:14:57,989 --> 01:14:53,969 media companies to do this a 1343 01:15:01,319 --> 01:14:57,999 congressional events since last October 1344 01:15:07,649 --> 01:15:01,329 since last summer - October was a less 1345 01:15:10,469 --> 01:15:07,659 event in in Moscow organized also by the 1346 01:15:14,850 --> 01:15:10,479 Chinese and the Chinese was always very 1347 01:15:19,410 --> 01:15:14,860 rigid I remember years ago one of the 1348 01:15:23,069 --> 01:15:19,420 few ufologists soon she lived he was 1349 01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:23,079 kind of very afraid to talk about no 1350 01:15:29,819 --> 01:15:26,110 matter he was invited to be followed 1351 01:15:33,330 --> 01:15:29,829 achill conventions in our soil but now 1352 01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:33,340 it is changing and they are media 1353 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:36,719 companies again as a media the media 1354 01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:40,090 television companies media tech 1355 01:15:48,469 --> 01:15:43,420 companies press etcetera organising this 1356 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:48,479 event and the purpose of this new global 1357 01:15:53,310 --> 01:15:51,130 Union what is their inviting many of the 1358 01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,320 Commission's in Europe and South America 1359 01:15:58,799 --> 01:15:56,159 who are already disclosure and the 1360 01:16:02,969 --> 01:15:58,809 government's are kind of working with 1361 01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:02,979 the civilians ufologists there they 1362 01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:05,110 cannot believe the phenomenon it's a 1363 01:16:10,830 --> 01:16:08,560 real phenomena with 8% 1364 01:16:15,210 --> 01:16:10,840 she's extraterrestrial they don't hide 1365 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:15,220 it - said that it's the friend never a 1366 01:16:26,460 --> 01:16:20,410 deal but and Italians neither - and this 1367 01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:26,470 movement is targeting in 2009 2018 1368 01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:29,710 excuse me - bring it to the UN through 1369 01:16:36,780 --> 01:16:34,150 the UNESCO but no pressure for 1370 01:16:39,090 --> 01:16:36,790 disclosure but it's a cultural kind of 1371 01:16:41,970 --> 01:16:39,100 opening they say this cultural 1372 01:16:45,780 --> 01:16:41,980 affiliation but nobody talked about this 1373 01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:45,790 with all these kind of bloggers and all 1374 01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,120 these kind of radio talks and nobody 1375 01:16:54,090 --> 01:16:51,280 giving importance to this event and I 1376 01:16:56,730 --> 01:16:54,100 just talk in my lecturing in 1377 01:17:00,450 --> 01:16:56,740 Philadelphia also a premiere what I I 1378 01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:00,460 was pursuing people of open minds other 1379 01:17:10,260 --> 01:17:06,790 they were given some kind of some kind 1380 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:10,270 of rally to follow up on this story but 1381 01:17:19,230 --> 01:17:13,770 I think nobody's really giving so much 1382 01:17:22,890 --> 01:17:19,240 attention as I say kind of is out of the 1383 01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:22,900 the record and this is a kind of also 1384 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:26,740 mystery know if it's not happening in 1385 01:17:29,970 --> 01:17:28,690 the United States it's not happening I 1386 01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:29,980 guess as far as a lot of people are 1387 01:17:42,510 --> 01:17:40,180 concerned you wrote a book on parallel 1388 01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:42,520 dimensions the question I have for you 1389 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:44,920 is can the UFO phenomenon eventually be 1390 01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:47,410 explained by quantum physics or is it 1391 01:17:55,140 --> 01:17:52,530 outside the realm of mathematics emotion 1392 01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:55,150 mathematics is a kind of a projection of 1393 01:17:59,460 --> 01:17:56,110 the imagination 1394 01:18:00,540 --> 01:17:59,470 I I don't put the hands on the fire of 1395 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:00,550 their emetics 1396 01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:04,570 geometries of mathematics and the 1397 01:18:11,460 --> 01:18:07,900 parallel Wars is kind of an explanation 1398 01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:11,470 of many things and also is a theoretical 1399 01:18:23,340 --> 01:18:16,280 thing have been from the Greeks 1400 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:23,350 to our i stain Ian's a stain type of 1401 01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:31,370 philosophy epistemology I think is the 1402 01:18:39,190 --> 01:18:34,400 phenomena the phenomena quarrys is 1403 01:18:41,650 --> 01:18:39,200 something we cannot really capture or we 1404 01:18:45,370 --> 01:18:41,660 cannot really measure neither with all 1405 01:18:50,490 --> 01:18:45,380 the mathematical parody class we know 1406 01:18:53,290 --> 01:18:50,500 exist exist kind of these hotspots 1407 01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:53,300 vortex with is more chance of 1408 01:19:02,440 --> 01:18:58,040 concentration of phenomena no and our 1409 01:19:04,930 --> 01:19:02,450 mind going to the paranormal element is 1410 01:19:07,540 --> 01:19:04,940 connected to our mind is connected with 1411 01:19:09,310 --> 01:19:07,550 latitude and longitude that was the 1412 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:09,320 creation of remote viewing as another 1413 01:19:15,490 --> 01:19:11,210 selfie wouldn't talk but I'll connect 1414 01:19:20,530 --> 01:19:15,500 with a new bug or the new wave of 1415 01:19:23,140 --> 01:19:20,540 ufology too and that that that connect 1416 01:19:27,940 --> 01:19:23,150 with all this kind of disclosure 1417 01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:27,950 connected Bigelow with Reed and the 1418 01:19:34,590 --> 01:19:31,790 Stars help tutor and and always doing 1419 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:34,600 them deep analysis of that thing an 1420 01:19:42,850 --> 01:19:37,610 analysis to find a kind of creative way 1421 01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:42,860 of cooperation where is how everything 1422 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:49,420 is converging to a positive answer no a 1423 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:51,890 constructive constructive way but here 1424 01:19:59,530 --> 01:19:54,890 we are all together in this where we are 1425 01:20:02,850 --> 01:19:59,540 one to over a future and we want that 1426 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:02,860 future be good and be kind of 1427 01:20:14,710 --> 01:20:07,730 constructive and equal for all that's 1428 01:20:17,620 --> 01:20:14,720 what we're trying to work towards here I 1429 01:20:20,830 --> 01:20:17,630 was a book I wrote an early age I never 1430 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:20,840 have the chance to polish in English I 1431 01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:22,850 would like to concentrate the next 1432 01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:26,409 couple years to do a kind of traditional 1433 01:20:30,810 --> 01:20:30,159 bilingual new edition that that would be 1434 01:20:33,060 --> 01:20:30,820 great 1435 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:33,070 by the way you sent Frank a really 1436 01:20:37,740 --> 01:20:35,050 wonderful picture of yourself and dr. 1437 01:20:41,459 --> 01:20:37,750 Hynek standing together many years ago 1438 01:20:43,799 --> 01:20:41,469 and you're standing there with a really 1439 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:43,809 wonderful expression on your face and 1440 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:46,090 you're holding a folder I was gonna ask 1441 01:20:48,930 --> 01:20:47,530 you what was in that folder you were 1442 01:20:52,290 --> 01:20:48,940 holding while you're standing next to 1443 01:21:00,839 --> 01:20:52,300 dr. Hynek of course where my case of 1444 01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,849 field research my kind of drawings in 1445 01:21:06,689 --> 01:21:02,800 that tree machine was Willie Smith Will 1446 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:06,699 Smith was reading and I seen he brought 1447 01:21:12,270 --> 01:21:09,130 it to the states and imagined there are 1448 01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:12,280 an even stone yeah in the basement of 1449 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:16,510 our Raleigh bigger that drawings and I 1450 01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:19,690 think yeah was of course I was 1451 01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:22,510 exchanging that was I was trying to 1452 01:21:29,339 --> 01:21:26,289 reconstruct some cases and I we work 1453 01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:29,349 together at the time I don't who's that 1454 01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:31,570 trip we'll spend a weekend in the Andes 1455 01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:34,300 and also he brought more cases and I 1456 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:37,510 remember when analyzed a sighting I 1457 01:21:44,759 --> 01:21:41,730 research in 1880 was a floating giant 1458 01:21:48,270 --> 01:21:44,769 city was a floating city and many people 1459 01:21:51,930 --> 01:21:48,280 of the peasants and their ruler and was 1460 01:21:55,049 --> 01:21:51,940 in a rural area the people who were 1461 01:21:58,109 --> 01:21:55,059 living in these towns and little village 1462 01:22:01,740 --> 01:21:58,119 were defined in a safe city similar to 1463 01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:01,750 they'd last sheep in close encounters 1464 01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:06,840 the mother ship with kind of above with 1465 01:22:13,259 --> 01:22:10,420 floating cities with streets forests 1466 01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,269 kind of something fantastic and we were 1467 01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:15,760 kind of analyzing the possibility of 1468 01:22:21,919 --> 01:22:19,150 that case was Mirage that was an area 1469 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:21,929 what it was very deserted he can finally 1470 01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:24,250 within the conclusion was not the 1471 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:26,050 village was the case he held me to 1472 01:22:31,529 --> 01:22:28,570 investigate to analyze for example but 1473 01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:31,539 in that folders I was presenting case by 1474 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:34,030 case and said Alan please what do you 1475 01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:36,130 thing about this yeah what is about this 1476 01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:38,590 and I was doing a lot of 1477 01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,370 he's he was a good kind of he was doing 1478 01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:52,480 good question and I was too I always 1479 01:23:03,589 --> 01:23:00,750 Frank I did have a few questions left 1480 01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:03,599 not that many but I did want to ask Alex 1481 01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:06,460 Robert Bigelow the American businessman 1482 01:23:13,649 --> 01:23:08,710 in you cross paths in what way did you 1483 01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:13,659 do that Oh big load kind of 20 years ago 1484 01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:17,560 or more he cover an institute and Las 1485 01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:20,380 Vegas coal National Institute of 1486 01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:24,880 discover designs and he was already in 1487 01:23:32,339 --> 01:23:29,110 the mid nineties creating also invisible 1488 01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:32,349 college with scientists who were under 1489 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:37,080 payroll oh he were they were guests of 1490 01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:41,290 the group the group was had by khan 1491 01:23:52,890 --> 01:23:46,860 kanika who with the journal x and ER 1492 01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:52,900 found I was depositary I was the holder 1493 01:23:58,970 --> 01:23:56,260 of the last manuscript of the last 1494 01:24:03,660 --> 01:23:58,980 director of Blue Book a clerk in Tunisia 1495 01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:03,670 in Tunisia wrote a fantastic book which 1496 01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:07,360 you could access online I I gave it to 1497 01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:13,679 Bigelow yeah 18 years ago and to be 1498 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:15,790 published 1499 01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:20,170 I was the editor in co-publisher with 1500 01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:27,369 the son of keen Tunisia and in that time 1501 01:24:33,419 --> 01:24:30,670 yeah we kind of the only thing we 1502 01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,429 received was a copy of the book we 1503 01:24:38,910 --> 01:24:35,679 couldn't really get the printing the 1504 01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:38,920 idea was to have a publishing printing 1505 01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:44,710 of the book and was funny but one in the 1506 01:24:50,609 --> 01:24:47,199 middle 80s after after they're dead of 1507 01:24:52,890 --> 01:24:50,619 Hynek I was kind of I didn't want to 1508 01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:52,900 deal with anything 1509 01:24:58,260 --> 01:24:55,510 with you for what the same period like 1510 01:25:00,900 --> 01:24:58,270 kind of I get very stress and I said I 1511 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:00,910 don't know where I going and I was 1512 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:04,090 working in video production was my first 1513 01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:08,770 second year in the state in the States 1514 01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:10,990 and uh and a friend of mine said oh I 1515 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:13,450 want to introduce you to I'm you could 1516 01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:14,290 work with us 1517 01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:16,780 this was production it's in our gallery 1518 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:21,970 we do video art okay and what is his 1519 01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:22,210 name 1520 01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,440 Quintanilla said don't tom is the is 1521 01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:28,000 related to quintanilla and quintanilla 1522 01:25:32,850 --> 01:25:29,860 is very common name there are many in 1523 01:25:36,030 --> 01:25:32,860 Tunisia's and I went to see it and to 1524 01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:36,040 met oh yeah hi car I said don't tell me 1525 01:25:41,460 --> 01:25:37,990 you are the son of actor quintanilla 1526 01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:41,470 yeah it was one in 1 million just when I 1527 01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:43,870 I think one last thing to do with UFOs 1528 01:25:50,700 --> 01:25:46,600 he came here look this is the manuscript 1529 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:50,710 of my father and later on I met his 1530 01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:53,170 father and we spent time also we did a 1531 01:26:01,920 --> 01:25:57,970 video on before his he died and we do 1532 01:26:07,140 --> 01:26:01,930 very specific questions he kill me with 1533 01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:07,150 that his son and we do a kind of a 1534 01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:09,790 segment on the Socorro case who was our 1535 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:13,300 family Kasem and I found in Tunisia was 1536 01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:15,730 a serious researcher he start also a 1537 01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:19,600 signing to start to believe life and in 1538 01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:25,240 other universes the possibility of they 1539 01:26:31,770 --> 01:26:28,480 could come he the Socorro case was an 1540 01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:31,780 opening night for him and my mother he 1541 01:26:40,290 --> 01:26:37,060 helps too many fights with Hynek during 1542 01:26:41,970 --> 01:26:40,300 that time and he also quintanilla was 1543 01:26:45,660 --> 01:26:41,980 involved with the panel robbers on 1544 01:26:51,540 --> 01:26:45,670 before and he was the last elector from 1545 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:51,550 63 to 69 and this manuscript called UFOs 1546 01:26:57,870 --> 01:26:54,010 and Air Force dilemma but the original 1547 01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:57,880 title you could see he's not there he's 1548 01:27:06,210 --> 01:27:02,080 called it took a $300,000 fiasco he 1549 01:27:08,730 --> 01:27:06,220 thought he thought the taxpayers really 1550 01:27:11,670 --> 01:27:08,740 the money what is there for schooling 1551 01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:11,680 really prove existing of the year Falls 1552 01:27:22,290 --> 01:27:16,210 not and he said the previous the 1553 01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:22,300 previous kind of directors repelled the 1554 01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:24,430 one before him I remember the name now 1555 01:27:34,140 --> 01:27:28,630 is african-american also we visited 1556 01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:34,150 right yeah I was in his house we were 1557 01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:36,940 remembering in Tunisia after in Tunisia 1558 01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:39,430 darian we spent a good time with many 1559 01:27:47,370 --> 01:27:44,650 store very funny stories yeah we went 1560 01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:47,380 with Antonia who knows who was the 1561 01:27:56,510 --> 01:27:49,350 International coordinator of new phone 1562 01:28:02,330 --> 01:27:56,520 in Los Angeles to interview her friend 1563 01:28:05,850 --> 01:28:02,340 and that was in Tunisia was a physicist 1564 01:28:08,010 --> 01:28:05,860 he really was an example was a guy who 1565 01:28:11,850 --> 01:28:08,020 crossed the Rio Grande he was illegal 1566 01:28:14,970 --> 01:28:11,860 alien but he make a super Asian in his 1567 01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:14,980 life he get an education he turn and 1568 01:28:24,210 --> 01:28:19,120 kind of a very good range and Air Force 1569 01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:24,220 and and kind of he was he knows a 1570 01:28:34,830 --> 01:28:29,910 historical character yeah in some degree 1571 01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:34,840 but if you wrote very interesting you 1572 01:28:42,930 --> 01:28:39,280 say on the UFOs only repelled before he 1573 01:28:49,190 --> 01:28:42,940 wrote a couple books but quintanilla was 1574 01:28:53,550 --> 01:28:49,200 equivalent and he generate many kind of 1575 01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:53,560 interesting stories and he he does some 1576 01:28:59,220 --> 01:28:57,250 mathematical and interpretations to he 1577 01:29:04,080 --> 01:28:59,230 like mathematics 1578 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:04,090 yeah yeah I had a question for you about 1579 01:29:08,490 --> 01:29:06,310 dr. Valle way who was a computer 1580 01:29:11,490 --> 01:29:08,500 scientist a venture capitalist and 1581 01:29:14,340 --> 01:29:11,500 author and iconic you apologist and an 1582 01:29:16,830 --> 01:29:14,350 astronomer and he currently resides in 1583 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:16,840 San Francisco California what kind of 1584 01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:19,690 relationship did you have with dr. Valle 1585 01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:21,190 are you friends and if so have you 1586 01:29:26,150 --> 01:29:22,840 maintained communication with him after 1587 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:26,160 all these years of knowing him no 1588 01:29:35,820 --> 01:29:30,010 unfortunately what I was in South 1589 01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:35,830 America which kind of he elude us but 1590 01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:38,560 the mother he knows we were part of the 1591 01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:41,110 UFO cat he was invited by another 1592 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:45,460 ufologist who was the colonel he was a 1593 01:29:52,590 --> 01:29:47,650 philosophy was in the commercial line 1594 01:29:56,460 --> 01:29:52,600 and he invite him and as that show how 1595 01:29:59,550 --> 01:29:56,470 how he was and I met for the first time 1596 01:30:02,670 --> 01:29:59,560 oh I went to a lecture he gave when I 1597 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:02,680 was in with that group in the time just 1598 01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:06,970 before we start to work with Hynek and 1599 01:30:12,990 --> 01:30:09,460 he kind of elude us and we were very 1600 01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:13,000 disappointed but no matter we were kind 1601 01:30:19,650 --> 01:30:13,600 of finds 1602 01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:19,660 we were all kids what we we were open to 1603 01:30:26,420 --> 01:30:22,900 the paranormal hypothesis and we had 1604 01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:26,430 been reading pass a passport to Magana 1605 01:30:35,220 --> 01:30:33,310 and but unfortunately then and at that 1606 01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:35,230 time we didn't have the chance to meet 1607 01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:37,770 and all this time he was kind of 1608 01:30:46,140 --> 01:30:41,830 obviously his marshal marshal his ivory 1609 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:46,150 tower and I didn't have the chance no 1610 01:30:52,650 --> 01:30:48,610 matter I I'd all these years in the 1611 01:30:59,460 --> 01:30:52,660 state also in California he kind of he 1612 01:31:04,170 --> 01:30:59,470 was ignoring my writings until I met him 1613 01:31:07,710 --> 01:31:04,180 in a last year in a tribute to another 1614 01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:07,720 friend who was a pioneer in the remote 1615 01:31:13,290 --> 01:31:10,480 be anything he was there and I tried to 1616 01:31:18,810 --> 01:31:13,300 continue the communication but after 1617 01:31:20,340 --> 01:31:18,820 that I didn't really kind of continual 1618 01:31:23,970 --> 01:31:20,350 their communication I would like to 1619 01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:23,980 reconnect with him and also he who he 1620 01:31:29,940 --> 01:31:26,110 has been he folk he wrote a foreword to 1621 01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:29,950 a book about Fatima and the UFOs and he 1622 01:31:38,250 --> 01:31:33,070 wrote two pages about one of my cases 1623 01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:38,260 over 1978 who was also very favorite 1624 01:31:44,490 --> 01:31:41,410 from dr. Hynek a case with the object 1625 01:31:47,460 --> 01:31:44,500 was launching projecting beans to a 1626 01:31:50,820 --> 01:31:47,470 compact light of me and ballet he get 1627 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:50,830 kind of very obsessive with that case is 1628 01:31:54,540 --> 01:31:52,090 called a dual circuit 1629 01:31:57,390 --> 01:31:54,550 lilulu case there's a few cases like 1630 01:32:00,360 --> 01:31:57,400 that with the sometimes a cone-shaped 1631 01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:00,370 beam coming out out of a UFO down to the 1632 01:32:02,340 --> 01:32:00,850 ground 1633 01:32:04,710 --> 01:32:02,350 oh there's been a few cases that have 1634 01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:04,720 turned up like that recently there was a 1635 01:32:12,030 --> 01:32:06,910 case right now next to my hometown in 1636 01:32:12,510 --> 01:32:12,040 Waunakee New Jersey back in 64 yep yep 1637 01:32:15,540 --> 01:32:12,520 yep 1638 01:32:17,460 --> 01:32:15,550 so that that's a very famous case and a 1639 01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:17,470 good friend of mine Tony Berg Aaliyah's 1640 01:32:21,330 --> 01:32:19,810 written a lot about that case I'll send 1641 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:21,340 you a couple links to some stories he's 1642 01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,770 written about that yes and there's a 1643 01:32:28,860 --> 01:32:25,120 couple others out there that have turned 1644 01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:28,870 up like that unfortunately the details 1645 01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:30,610 elude me so I won't go into them but I 1646 01:32:34,620 --> 01:32:32,230 can turn those up and get those over to 1647 01:32:38,930 --> 01:32:34,630 you yes when I can we're trying to kind 1648 01:32:44,190 --> 01:32:38,940 of make a review and when I was working 1649 01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:44,200 in the UFO Hunters I will we almost we 1650 01:32:49,950 --> 01:32:47,050 did an episode about the one okay and 1651 01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:49,960 the production asked me to contact the 1652 01:32:55,710 --> 01:32:52,690 former cops who were witness and I was 1653 01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:55,720 install rare yeah but I never visit the 1654 01:33:02,850 --> 01:32:58,560 reservoir and as I but I had been 1655 01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:02,860 recollecting some information about the 1656 01:33:10,020 --> 01:33:07,170 area and it's a very interesting 1657 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:10,030 representative case of the ufology of 1658 01:33:16,980 --> 01:33:12,970 New Jersey but coming back to believe o 1659 01:33:21,300 --> 01:33:16,990 Malley was kind of always very cryptic 1660 01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:21,310 character he show ups he disappear he he 1661 01:33:27,630 --> 01:33:23,890 kind of ally himself the pain of the 1662 01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:27,640 corporate and I am very disappointed I'm 1663 01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:29,410 very disappointed with Jax ballet I'm 1664 01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:33,190 very disappointed with with Dolan - what 1665 01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:37,180 they are going to be in the project 1666 01:33:42,090 --> 01:33:39,610 Bluebook afterwards 1667 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:42,100 comments on interviews in the series 1668 01:33:46,620 --> 01:33:45,730 after every show Sun of the luminaries 1669 01:33:48,180 --> 01:33:46,630 of 1670 01:33:52,110 --> 01:33:48,190 the apology they're going to make 1671 01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:52,120 uncovered and ballet of course he lost 1672 01:34:01,200 --> 01:33:56,110 his opportunity to be but coming back 1673 01:34:04,770 --> 01:34:01,210 yeah Bali was fascinated with with my 1674 01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:04,780 case of Ladue see what making comparison 1675 01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:07,090 with the Fatima the version of Fatima 1676 01:34:18,150 --> 01:34:14,290 apparition right Our Lady of Fatima his 1677 01:34:20,490 --> 01:34:18,160 have the interpretation of Fatima was a 1678 01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:20,500 new philosophy event and she also he 1679 01:34:30,030 --> 01:34:24,340 wrote in one of his books yeah 1680 01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:30,040 I see no not to me of the phenomena that 1681 01:34:34,140 --> 01:34:32,080 that means yeah he wrote two pages but 1682 01:34:39,140 --> 01:34:34,150 he was not capable to contact me who I 1683 01:34:44,490 --> 01:34:39,150 was the field researcher of the case map 1684 01:34:48,270 --> 01:34:44,500 many books yeah kind of polish with my 1685 01:34:52,530 --> 01:34:48,280 drawings to also in the column in the 1686 01:34:57,690 --> 01:34:52,540 page of killing the motohashi make also 1687 01:35:06,420 --> 01:34:57,700 comparison between that religious 1688 01:35:08,670 --> 01:35:06,430 operations is a great philosopher of 1689 01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:08,680 ufology yeah he has a different 1690 01:35:15,890 --> 01:35:11,440 hypothesis as you know about the UFO 1691 01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:15,900 phenomenon regarding a multi-dimensional 1692 01:35:24,030 --> 01:35:19,050 visitation hypothesis which is it 1693 01:35:25,650 --> 01:35:24,040 represents an extension of the ETH where 1694 01:35:28,170 --> 01:35:25,660 the alleged terrestrials could be 1695 01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:28,180 potentially from anywhere entities could 1696 01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:30,190 be multi-dimensional beyond space-time 1697 01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:32,230 and thus could coexist with humans yet 1698 01:35:36,990 --> 01:35:34,930 remain undetected there's a lot more to 1699 01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:37,000 it than that but he has a very different 1700 01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:39,310 viewpoint than others in the field of 1701 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:43,600 ufology about the UFO phenomenon well 1702 01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:47,770 yes but this if you see the theory of 1703 01:35:54,650 --> 01:35:50,400 Valley the para physics the paranormal 1704 01:35:58,890 --> 01:35:54,660 finally very similar to the John keel 1705 01:35:59,700 --> 01:35:58,900 the super spectrum to Orion as kill was 1706 01:36:06,150 --> 01:35:59,710 not this 1707 01:36:08,970 --> 01:36:06,160 he went direct to the point is or you 1708 01:36:10,860 --> 01:36:08,980 approach in the scientific level or you 1709 01:36:14,220 --> 01:36:10,870 approach in the paranormal level but 1710 01:36:18,810 --> 01:36:14,230 what you are kind of digging in 1711 01:36:24,570 --> 01:36:18,820 different kind of pits the water gets 1712 01:36:30,690 --> 01:36:24,580 more murky and is oh no but the pain of 1713 01:36:34,460 --> 01:36:30,700 the of the the point of view but I think 1714 01:36:37,140 --> 01:36:34,470 is I remember I used to talk with Hynek 1715 01:36:39,210 --> 01:36:37,150 about the theories of ballet and he was 1716 01:36:44,250 --> 01:36:39,220 disappointed and I just published an 1717 01:36:46,710 --> 01:36:44,260 interview I did I interviewed Allan in 1718 01:36:53,250 --> 01:36:46,720 tape and transcribed that interview of 1719 01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:53,260 1980 what he thinks filet lost his track 1720 01:36:58,860 --> 01:36:56,170 with the messenger of deception when he 1721 01:37:03,930 --> 01:36:58,870 gave importance to the cult and to their 1722 01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:03,940 contacting groups for him for he was a 1723 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:09,250 very big disappointed and I I have it in 1724 01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:11,770 tape his comments on that yeah just 1725 01:37:18,270 --> 01:37:14,550 wanted to to also make a comment that 1726 01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:18,280 and dr. Jacques Vallee has also been 1727 01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:21,040 associated with Robert Bigelow recently 1728 01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:22,570 as a consultant to the National 1729 01:37:27,420 --> 01:37:25,570 Institute for discovery science and a 1730 01:37:31,950 --> 01:37:27,430 member of the scientific advisory board 1731 01:37:34,410 --> 01:37:31,960 of Bigelow Aerospace I had a question 1732 01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:34,420 that I wanted to ask you Alex and that 1733 01:37:38,850 --> 01:37:36,850 is moving on regarding what you had to 1734 01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,860 say about Project Blue Book and how you 1735 01:37:43,050 --> 01:37:40,960 feel that project was taken from you 1736 01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:43,060 this can't be the period at the end of 1737 01:37:46,350 --> 01:37:44,050 the sentence for you 1738 01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:46,360 what long-term projects do you have that 1739 01:38:00,210 --> 01:37:48,130 you can share with us that you look 1740 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:00,220 forward to I am afraid to comment people 1741 01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:03,850 follow in my steps but and also what is 1742 01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:06,460 finding what discovery asks you to to 1743 01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:09,430 present you cannot pitch the stories but 1744 01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:12,490 you could put your historicism in a kind 1745 01:38:17,580 --> 01:38:13,360 of a 1746 01:38:21,780 --> 01:38:17,590 come web page with the producers menu 1747 01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:21,790 type of production page and this in the 1748 01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:25,360 moment you you hung up that that your 1749 01:38:30,420 --> 01:38:28,000 pitch and your development your risky 1750 01:38:31,860 --> 01:38:30,430 they could everybody could walk with 1751 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:31,870 that and you don't have any way to 1752 01:38:38,580 --> 01:38:34,810 control who's seen what you are posting 1753 01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:38,590 no yeah and as kind of thing that is I 1754 01:38:44,430 --> 01:38:41,710 recommend to the young people to all the 1755 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:44,440 people without not experience and they 1756 01:38:50,670 --> 01:38:47,530 have good ideas be careful when you 1757 01:38:54,570 --> 01:38:50,680 present ideas yeah no matter you know 1758 01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:54,580 the people no I recommend that also for 1759 01:39:00,540 --> 01:38:56,590 the young generation well now we are in 1760 01:39:03,500 --> 01:39:00,550 we're in BDO H we are a kind of a 1761 01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:03,510 digital age which you could produce 1762 01:39:10,140 --> 01:39:07,360 content and disguise development they 1763 01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:10,150 are sitting warming nurtures hitting 1764 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:14,110 their chairs and they don't really sweat 1765 01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:16,690 for find kind of new it is that is the 1766 01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:18,760 reason every show is the same as the 1767 01:39:24,510 --> 01:39:21,010 other but is a copycat of the previous 1768 01:39:26,850 --> 01:39:24,520 one but some people with idealistic 1769 01:39:31,470 --> 01:39:26,860 scenes and good ideas or whose research 1770 01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:31,480 it could be victims of this kind of tank 1771 01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:37,930 shark or shark tank but and there are 1772 01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:43,900 many dolphins out there who can be kind 1773 01:39:51,710 --> 01:39:48,580 of propitiatory victims of this system 1774 01:39:54,420 --> 01:39:51,720 know this kind of content system but 1775 01:39:58,710 --> 01:39:54,430 such god where we have many things that 1776 01:40:02,490 --> 01:39:58,720 you could do productions for more 1777 01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:02,500 independent companies you know or they 1778 01:40:08,490 --> 01:40:05,410 tuned Netflix it's it there are my 1779 01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:08,500 Soniya that's it there what coming back 1780 01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:16,570 to your question you could repeat again 1781 01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:17,710 sure 1782 01:40:22,110 --> 01:40:20,410 absolutely it's regarding what you had 1783 01:40:24,930 --> 01:40:22,120 to say about Project Blue Book and how 1784 01:40:25,860 --> 01:40:24,940 you felt that the project was taken from 1785 01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:25,870 you 1786 01:40:28,860 --> 01:40:26,800 and 1787 01:40:31,110 --> 01:40:28,870 I was just saying you know it seems like 1788 01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:31,120 this can't be the end of it for you 1789 01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:33,760 there's got to be more regarding 1790 01:40:39,660 --> 01:40:35,770 long-term projects and goals that you 1791 01:40:43,020 --> 01:40:39,670 have what are some of those goals so now 1792 01:40:45,390 --> 01:40:43,030 now I am kind of I start the translation 1793 01:40:50,180 --> 01:40:45,400 of the move on film is to go to a 1794 01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:50,190 Spanish that is for great new fields 1795 01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:53,170 investigators and research south of the 1796 01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:57,040 border that is a gun of I am happy with 1797 01:41:10,110 --> 01:41:01,840 this mission to have this this fantastic 1798 01:41:15,930 --> 01:41:10,120 fan book trade by move on years ago kind 1799 01:41:18,630 --> 01:41:15,940 of how many kind of fifty years ago 1800 01:41:25,170 --> 01:41:18,640 already you know 40 years ago 50 years 1801 01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:25,180 ago yes that was one of my projects I am 1802 01:41:30,150 --> 01:41:27,940 working I am developing all that kind of 1803 01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:30,160 mystery series but I'm not going to 1804 01:41:39,540 --> 01:41:36,790 mention that yeah you know in your 1805 01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:39,550 penetration but I could exchange it with 1806 01:41:50,850 --> 01:41:46,990 you in a brave the new series in 1807 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:50,860 archaeology and you know their specials 1808 01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:52,090 and ufology 1809 01:41:58,890 --> 01:41:55,840 and also I'd kind of look in to join 1810 01:42:01,620 --> 01:41:58,900 forces with already outgoing in project 1811 01:42:06,780 --> 01:42:01,630 with a feature film and UFOs know a 1812 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:06,790 couple ones and also I working in a 1813 01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:11,290 project about we don't know if he's 1814 01:42:16,260 --> 01:42:13,420 going to film or television on the 1815 01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:16,270 pascagoula case oh that's a great case 1816 01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:18,490 yes that is a great case that's an 1817 01:42:28,050 --> 01:42:21,760 iconic case yeah I spent 20 years ago I 1818 01:42:28,830 --> 01:42:28,060 spend time a week with Hickson with 1819 01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:28,840 Charlie Higson 1820 01:42:37,140 --> 01:42:32,730 his family and I interview him at a deep 1821 01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:37,150 my my storage base in that week spending 1822 01:42:43,370 --> 01:42:40,170 with the Hicks on family Rico's 1823 01:42:46,010 --> 01:42:43,380 worked in the case yeah that was what I 1824 01:42:47,810 --> 01:42:46,020 wrote an article it's a long article 1825 01:42:58,880 --> 01:42:47,820 about the case in a Spanish magazine 1826 01:43:01,970 --> 01:42:58,890 owned and that seat but I have another 1827 01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:01,980 rabbits my top hat so that means that 1828 01:43:06,189 --> 01:43:04,770 you actually spoke with Calvin Parker is 1829 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:06,199 that correct 1830 01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,530 no he Parker yeah nope Argus another 1831 01:43:19,700 --> 01:43:15,840 product the friend of mine have Philemon 1832 01:43:22,729 --> 01:43:19,710 to work work working together also to do 1833 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:22,739 something but Parker is kind of I think 1834 01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:26,010 is working with another the producer who 1835 01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:28,650 also I am in contact maybe we could we 1836 01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:31,670 are going to do something together 1837 01:43:38,570 --> 01:43:34,800 merging with him but you know my my take 1838 01:43:44,030 --> 01:43:38,580 is is more with the story of pixel on 1839 01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:44,040 what I interview him for a long week I 1840 01:43:52,669 --> 01:43:50,880 spend in Pascagoula Mississippi yeah 1841 01:43:55,130 --> 01:43:52,679 that's fascinating Wow 1842 01:43:57,169 --> 01:43:55,140 Frank did you have any questions no well 1843 01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,179 I do but we're gonna get to them when 1844 01:44:02,689 --> 01:43:59,760 Alex comes back next month and we get a 1845 01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:02,699 bunch of UFO researchers from South 1846 01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:06,719 America to talk about UFOs in that 1847 01:44:09,979 --> 01:44:08,489 continent and that's going to be a great 1848 01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:09,989 show so I'm gonna hold all those 1849 01:44:14,090 --> 01:44:11,550 questions until then but I do have 1850 01:44:16,220 --> 01:44:14,100 plenty more that's for you well I did 1851 01:44:19,220 --> 01:44:16,230 have one last question and that is if 1852 01:44:21,620 --> 01:44:19,230 you wanted to say anything about the 1853 01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:21,630 topic of your fellow you apology in a 1854 01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:24,600 macro way you know just in a general way 1855 01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:28,489 what would you have to say about that 1856 01:44:33,709 --> 01:44:31,710 well I think if you follow this kind of 1857 01:44:36,140 --> 01:44:33,719 could be a blessing a good V occurs 1858 01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:36,150 depend of your perspective and depend on 1859 01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:38,850 the time of your life and it's is some 1860 01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:41,040 kind of each eNOS you cannot leave 1861 01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:45,210 behind very easily and it's still you 1862 01:44:53,180 --> 01:44:50,480 you have to be kind of conscience of 1863 01:44:53,959 --> 01:44:53,190 everything converge okay well we are 1864 01:44:56,719 --> 01:44:53,969 curious with 1865 01:45:00,140 --> 01:44:56,729 mysteries of the past and the mystery of 1866 01:45:04,580 --> 01:45:00,150 the present and a light and the sky that 1867 01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:04,590 connect with our ancestors and connect 1868 01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:09,449 with our question and in our personal 1869 01:45:18,799 --> 01:45:15,110 their personal kind of search or kind of 1870 01:45:22,089 --> 01:45:18,809 our personal illumination which we have 1871 01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:22,099 so many dark sides and we have so many 1872 01:45:31,969 --> 01:45:26,400 darkest spots in our past on our 1873 01:45:36,049 --> 01:45:31,979 previous life that are knocking knocking 1874 01:45:40,810 --> 01:45:36,059 the door of our present consciousness 1875 01:45:44,779 --> 01:45:40,820 and kind of it's the miracle of life is 1876 01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:44,789 something we are not totally conscious 1877 01:45:53,390 --> 01:45:48,840 all the time and we try to come continue 1878 01:45:58,879 --> 01:45:53,400 and we are distracted for our our daily 1879 01:46:02,689 --> 01:45:58,889 work on our daily preoccupations but in 1880 01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:02,699 everything we have to see this kind of 1881 01:46:11,810 --> 01:46:08,130 miracle live and is also us continue 1882 01:46:18,109 --> 01:46:11,820 asking if it's a gut there and is this 1883 01:46:22,609 --> 01:46:18,119 kind of solitude we think or sometimes 1884 01:46:25,580 --> 01:46:22,619 we feel we are is not totally true and 1885 01:46:30,919 --> 01:46:25,590 we are not alone we are not alone in 1886 01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:30,929 this run run away this run away could be 1887 01:46:38,750 --> 01:46:35,360 deep to the ocean the ocean of our 1888 01:46:43,580 --> 01:46:38,760 consciousness or secret of our own life 1889 01:46:48,879 --> 01:46:43,590 all this run away launching ourselves to 1890 01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:48,889 the Stars and is I think is our 1891 01:46:55,609 --> 01:46:52,650 existences is very precious and the 1892 01:46:59,779 --> 01:46:55,619 important thing also is to leave a kind 1893 01:47:02,390 --> 01:46:59,789 of message to do some kind of work leave 1894 01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:02,400 it for the next generations and do it in 1895 01:47:11,550 --> 01:47:07,210 the best way we can know and is 1896 01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:11,560 and also it's important to do it in the 1897 01:47:25,290 --> 01:47:19,920 true way trying to kind of do it do it 1898 01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:25,300 without that consequence or we we start 1899 01:47:31,260 --> 01:47:27,840 the conversation with these series and 1900 01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:31,270 this series is again affair it's not it 1901 01:47:41,820 --> 01:47:37,330 I would say the to sa detour is not 1902 01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:41,830 totally light if you see of television 1903 01:47:51,330 --> 01:47:47,850 today is so so dark is so kind of 1904 01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:51,340 violence I'm gonna thing and it's the 1905 01:47:56,910 --> 01:47:53,890 purpose of that violence is profiting 1906 01:48:01,470 --> 01:47:56,920 when they come to make money that is not 1907 01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:01,480 the way kind of things well Alex ancient 1908 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:04,000 aliens cancer kind of proves that they 1909 01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:06,010 are very enthusiastic about their 1910 01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:07,510 subject there there's nothing dark about 1911 01:48:12,930 --> 01:48:10,780 that show at all no no no that easily 1912 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:12,940 but in general older things we see in 1913 01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:15,850 television roles in aliens is good for 1914 01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:18,400 this is take their religion on if they 1915 01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:33,370 talk the Bible on the Old Testament God 1916 01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:35,290 to watch the movies you have in your 1917 01:48:40,530 --> 01:48:37,810 Romania oh don't you start I'm just but 1918 01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:40,540 my point is that you can be positive and 1919 01:48:49,710 --> 01:48:42,190 still be very successful that's my key 1920 01:49:04,020 --> 01:48:49,720 point right but it's not sex and 1921 01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:04,030 violence yeah well it's been a really 1922 01:49:09,930 --> 01:49:07,450 fabulous show we had the opportunity to 1923 01:49:12,330 --> 01:49:09,940 cover a lot of ground today regarding 1924 01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:12,340 the topic of you apology and also 1925 01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:14,410 discuss really iconic people in the 1926 01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:19,090 field of ufology such as dr. J Allen 1927 01:49:23,740 --> 01:49:20,090 Hynek 1928 01:49:26,260 --> 01:49:23,750 dr. jacques valet we even got to talk a 1929 01:49:29,260 --> 01:49:26,270 little bit about John keel and some 1930 01:49:32,860 --> 01:49:29,270 really important cases in the field of 1931 01:49:35,020 --> 01:49:32,870 ufology and also it's been a real 1932 01:49:40,450 --> 01:49:35,030 pleasure and a privilege to have you on 1933 01:49:43,930 --> 01:49:40,460 the show Alex you are deeply involved in 1934 01:49:47,110 --> 01:49:43,940 the international film and television 1935 01:49:50,620 --> 01:49:47,120 production of this topic I bet it's been 1936 01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:50,630 quite a ride for you yes thank you very 1937 01:49:56,020 --> 01:49:52,490 much I still trying to those things 1938 01:49:57,790 --> 01:49:56,030 mother thank you so much Alex looking 1939 01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:57,800 forward to having you back on again next 1940 01:50:03,940 --> 01:50:01,280 month when our mutual friend King Eddy 1941 01:50:05,050 --> 01:50:03,950 returns from his world tour I'm looking 1942 01:50:08,110 --> 01:50:05,060 forward to that it's gonna be a fun show 1943 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:08,120 actually and also coming up this coming 1944 01:50:13,810 --> 01:50:10,010 weekend that we're having an image Super 1945 01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:13,820 Show with Dave be T and Kevin day who 1946 01:50:18,190 --> 01:50:15,490 was the radar operator on the Princeton 1947 01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:18,200 during that incident and of course dave 1948 01:50:25,170 --> 01:50:21,110 has produced the Nimitz and carriage a 1949 01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:25,180 very serious look a very factual look at 1950 01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:28,070 one of the sorties that encountered the 1951 01:50:35,620 --> 01:50:31,850 phenomenon out on the Pacific coast back 1952 01:50:38,020 --> 01:50:35,630 in 2004 I believe it was off the top of 1953 01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:38,030 my head and so we're gonna cover that in 1954 01:50:42,610 --> 01:50:40,880 a lot of detail and in two weeks so 1955 01:50:45,940 --> 01:50:42,620 we're gonna have dr. Diana Basilica 1956 01:50:48,610 --> 01:50:45,950 talking about her new book American 1957 01:50:50,830 --> 01:50:48,620 cosmic which you can pick up now I'm 1958 01:50:53,260 --> 01:50:50,840 sure probably over at Amazon and just 1959 01:50:53,620 --> 01:50:53,270 about anywhere else that good books are 1960 01:50:55,480 --> 01:50:53,630 sold 1961 01:51:06,940 --> 01:50:55,490 so again Alex thank you so much for 1962 01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:06,950 coming on with us thanks Leo Frank it 1963 01:51:10,330 --> 01:51:08,570 was a pleasure as always we'll wrap